‘Muddy’ sound using cassette tapes/deck/through quality hi fi components

[Deleted member 194101]

I really don’t understand your reason for frequenting this forum, as you have such a low opinion of its subscribers. You obviously can’t accept others choices/preferences. Banging the same drum (over and over) is clearly falling on deaf (to you) ears. Why bother?

I do accept other people's choice, but I won't accept BS from people who worship vinyl. Vinyl CANNOT preserve the same amount of detail as CD, or a newer format.

 

[Shrek]

I do accept other people's choice, but I won't accept BS from people who worship vinyl. Vinyl CANNOT preserve the same amount of detail as CD, or a newer format.

Your Ears Listen to what makes you happy.

 

[Deleted member 194101]

are you suggesting this is a bad thing?

Er, yes.

 

[Deleted member 194101]

Most studios use 24/48 or occasionally 24/96, only a few record in Higher.
All the audio information on a Hi-res recording is available on vinyl (Remember there are no usable sounds above about 20khz) which with a good cartridge can go up to 40Khz, however due to the limited dynamic range of vinyl, the full dynamic range of the master has to be compressed down to fit (RIAA EQ also has to be applied). but all the audio information is still in there, Spotify on the other hand (Due to the lossy format) actually removes information from the master to get the small size, which means it has less musical information than vinyl but can have a larger dynamic range.
You really should start dealing in facts rather than telling everybody in the world that they should have the same opinion and preferences as you. (And I can assure you they don't, so live with it, as it is called life)
I realise this will go completely over your head, but it has to be said.

Bill

When I read these posts, it's as if people are brainwashed and can't see the truth. Your pedantic comment 'Most studios use 24/48 or occasionally 24/96, only a few record in Higher.' just proves you don't understand. It doesn't matter what quality the studio recordings are saved in, they still cannot be transferred to vinyl without loss of quality. If Tidal uses studio quality files, 24/192 or 24/96 or 24/48 these files can be played by a streamer without loss of quality. If these files are transferred to vinyl, there is a huge loss in quality, because vinyl is incapable of holding this amount of data. The vinyl worshipping and brainwashing is incredible on this forum.

 

[Deleted member 194101]

Your Ears Listen to what makes you happy.

Another facile comment which means nothing.

 

[RTHerringbone]

The vinyl worshipping and brainwashing is incredible on this forum.

This is obviously your MO so, whatever, but have you ever considered that for many people, the enjoyment of music is beyond the notion of measurable "quality"? It can be a holistic experience rather than a binary one.

What if people enjoy the tactile process of putting on a record and listening to an album in its entirety? I stream more than I listen to records, but prefer the warmer sound and experience / process of listening to records.

At the end of the day, it's all about personal preference, so tub-thumping and trying to corral people to a common way of thinking is a bit pointless. There's no wrong or right when it comes to choice.

 

[Deleted member 194101]

This is obviously your MO so, whatever, but have you ever considered that for many people, the enjoyment of music is beyond the notion of measurable "quality"? It can be a holistic experience rather than a binary one.

What if people enjoy the tactile process of putting on a record and listening to an album in its entirety? I stream more than I listen to records, but prefer the warmer sound and experience / process of listening to records.

At the end of the day, it's all about personal preference, so tub-thumping and trying to corral people to a common way of thinking is a bit pointless. There's no wrong or right when it comes to choice.

I don't care what format people prefer to enjoy their music, but I'm sick of the constant shite from people who insist vinyl can ever be an equal, or better format to CD, or newer formats. Once again, vinyl cannot reproduce music as accurately as CD, or a newer format, using the same master. A state of the art recording in a new recording studio can be realised at its full quality, if it's transferred to a streaming platform, but this file cannot be stored or reproduced at anywhere near the same quality if it's transferred to vinyl. You are like many people on this forum and confusing 2 things. The choice of format and one format being superior to another. If you want to play vinyl at a lower quality, then please do so, but don't pretend vinyl can compete with a newer format, when it comes to accurate and authentic music reproduction.

 

[RTHerringbone]

You are like many people on this forum and confusing 2 things. The choice of format and one format being superior to another. If you want to play vinyl at a lower quality, then please do so, but don't pretend vinyl can compete with a newer format, when it comes to accurate and authentic music reproduction.

I'm not pretending anything, so please don't make things up 👍

My point, as with many others, is that many people often gain more satisfaction from listening to vinyl rather than a digital equivalent of the same track. And that's a "feeling", not a comparison on a graph or an opinion written in a paper. It doesn't seem like you can comprehend that. Not everything is a contest.

 

[Deleted member 194101]

I'm not pretending anything, so please don't make things up 👍

My point, as with many others, is that many people often gain more satisfaction from listening to vinyl rather than a digital equivalent of the same track. And that's a "feeling", not a comparison on a graph or an opinion written in a paper. It doesn't seem like you can comprehend that. Not everything is a contest.

I don't want anyone to stop playing vinyl, if they prefer the sound. My argument (and I'm correct), is that technically, vinyl will not give you an accurate reproduction, when compared to CD or high res streaming. Again, I thought this site was the pursuit of accurate music playback, not longing for worse sound quality, along with the hassle of vinyl and cassette. I see people complaining about the price of blank cassettes. Then don't buy them and take part in the modern world, with less faff and better sound quality. The fact that people want to be Luddites does make my chuckle now and then. Living in a 1970s HIFI world is bizarre.

 

[abacus]

I don't want anyone to stop playing vinyl, if they prefer the sound. My argument (and I'm correct), is that technically, vinyl will not give you an accurate reproduction, when compared to CD or high res streaming. Again, I thought this site was the pursuit of accurate music playback, not longing for worse sound quality, along with the hassle of vinyl and cassette. I see people complaining about the price of blank cassettes. Then don't buy them and take part in the modern world, with less faff and better sound quality. The fact that people want to be Luddites does make my chuckle now and then. Living in a 1970s HIFI world is bizarre.

No one on here has ever said that vinyl is technically better than CD or hi-res, so I don't know why you keep banging on about it.
All that's being said, is that a lot of re-masters on CD and hi-res on not as good as the original master, which were only ever made available on vinyl, and they are not going to listen to the poor re-mix recordings, no matter what format they are on. (Not forgetting that a lot of stuff is just not available on modern formats)
Also you seem to have difficulty comprehending that everybody in the world is different to anybody else, which includes you, so get used to it as that is life.

Bill

 

[abacus]

Hers a question: Are you a quality music recording first no matter the format, or are you best format first, no matter how bad the recording?

Bill

 

[twinkletoes]

This video is pretty interesting! It compares different formats, and one of them sounds a lot like his original master. His original master is brick-walled pretty badly I might add! You can see that in the wave form.

From the vinyl master down ill be damed if I can hear a difference between the rest.
For the vinyl master, he mentions it doesn’t sound like his original master, and he hears things he didn’t know were there. I don’t know what that says about him as an engineer, and surprises me as he would have had to engineer it. But in other words, his legacy formats have greater dynamic expression than his "better" original master.

But as someone in the YouTube comments correctly pointed out, the mastering process differs for each, so you’re not comparing the format but the master. Still, this shows the master’s importance and how little the format matters in the real world.

I not posting this prove anybody right or wrong its just interesting, take from it if you watch what you will.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iohmhZWDNo&t=1028s

 

[abacus]

You cannot get more information out then you put in, if you hear differences then the format you hear differences on, is producing artificial artifacts.

Bill

 

[Al ears]

Apologies to the OP.
Threads here tend to go way off course......

 

[keithiepoo]

A pointless post.
Many, like myself, used cassettes to listen to self -recorded material like I had of pub bands that simply aren't available to stream.
Often better to trying to help the OPs with their questions I find......

Well said.

 

[keithiepoo]

I think that misses a critical point - one person's chore is another person's passion.

Excellently put.

I can see the person who is satisfied with the sound alone, and the simplistic convenience of modern mediums. But, for many of us, the ritual IS part of the fun. And, so is the nostalgia. And, most of us can walk and chew gum at the same time, enjoying the past as well as the present.