When Will the 2016 Receivers Hit the Shelves?

[Benedict_Arnold]

Any ideas?

Will DTS-XHD-ABC123 (starting to read like the letters in the names of Harleys here) win out over Atmos?

Will they all be HDCP2.2, HDMI2 and UHDTV compliant?

Right now it's a minefield of formats, full and partial compliance and capabilities, etc. etc.

I've decided to wait until the fog clears.

Don't want to end up with a Betamax or a HDDVD or ...

 

[jjbomber]

Any ideas?

2016???

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

Any ideas?

2016???

Cleary a MENSA member or your granny had a crystal ball.... *biggirn*

 

[simonlewis]

If you want a reciever now get this years denon, marantz or the dearer yamaha's starting at the 1050, if you want to wait untill 2016 think july, august and onwards and if you are thinking of buying at the dear end of the range start looking in twelve months time.

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

That kind of echoes what I was thinking.

The whole DTS-X vs. Atmos thing needs to shake out, HDCP2.2 needs full implementation and there's all the other new fangled stuff coming down the pipe as well.

IMHO it's about bloody time the industry got its act together and settled on one set of formats and sticks with it for a few years. Then they can compete on sound quality, picture quality and price.

Most of the shops have run out of this year's models anyway, and if I keep soldiering on with my ancient (ahem) 717 I think things will sort themselves out. Or not. Or will apear to have, only for something else to appear on the horizon to make last year's models redundant - again.

 

[f1only]

Why are you doing a vs on Atmos & DTS x?? Most, if not all of this years A/V amp models that are any good have both, so at least you have a choice!!

So what shops have all run out this years models? because most of them seem to have the A/V Amps i am interested in stock & lots of others too with the above Atmos / DTS X.

 

[Series1boy]

There isn't a format war going on here.

There Will always be DTS or Dolby encoded discs. It's been like this for in excess of 15 years when DVD came out and years before that at the cinema.

dolby atmos and dtsx are object based channels, with both formats working on simular or the same speaker configurations. In fact, dtsx is more flexible on where you place your speakers and even atmos doesn't need dedicated down or up firing speakers, and you can use front and rear heights.

most new receivers have both, and next year probably all of them. It's not like having HD DVD and bluray in 1 machine, now that would redicolous and not cost effective, right ?

there isn't a war, just more choice..

 

[bigboss]

DTS:X isn't ready yet, and the launch keeps getting pushed back. They announced way too early because of Dolby Atmos. AFAIK there's only 1 DTS:X disc announced so far, against 30-odd Atmos discs. No sign of Auro 3D discs yet.

 

[jjbomber]

Cleary a MENSA member or your granny had a crystal ball.... *biggirn*

Right first time. IQ of 148, so only just passed.

 

[spiny norman]

No sign of Auro 3D discs yet.

Several record labels have been releasing Auro-3D 96/24 multichannel recordings for some time now.

See here

 

[bigboss]

No sign of Auro 3D discs yet.

Several record labels have been releasing Auro-3D 96/24 multichannel recordings for some time now.

See here

 

Surely, nobody has installed Auro 3D for music only!! Interestingly, Insurgent released as Auro 3D in cinemas but Dolby Atmos on blu ray! There may be more examples but haven't checked.

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

Cleary a MENSA member or your granny had a crystal ball.... *biggirn*

Right first time. IQ of 148, so only just passed.

Only 148? Tsk, tsk....

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

There isn't a format war going on here.

There Will always be DTS or Dolby encoded discs. It's been like this for in excess of 15 years when DVD came out and years before that at the cinema.

dolby atmos and dtsx are object based channels, with both formats working on simular or the same speaker configurations. In fact, dtsx is more flexible on where you place your speakers and even atmos doesn't need dedicated down or up firing speakers, and you can use front and rear heights.

most new receivers have both, and next year probably all of them. It's not like having HD DVD and bluray in 1 machine, now that would redicolous and not cost effective, right ?

there isn't a war, just more choice..

According to bigboss DTS-X isn't ready yet, and the release date keeps getitng pushed back. Sure, a lot of this year's receivers say they're DTS-X compatible (but need a firmware update). Ahem. My car is ready to run on dilithium crystals - but needs a firmware update. Right...

Point is I don't want to risk getting a Betamax and finding only VHS at the video rental store (again). It's high time the industry set a standard and stuck to it.

Over here in the US, most of the big retailers like Bestbuy, and local "big fish in small pond" ones too, have run out of the higher end 2015 receivers, and only the cheaper, less capable ones are left. Sure, you can find some independents selling stuff on Amazon or EBay, but I prefer to buy big stuff locally so if it goes "pop" I can take it back to the guy I bought it from in person. And like I keep saying, I don't want to buy (another) Betamax.

 

[bigboss]

Not sure what's the connection between VHS vs Betamax and Atmos vs DTS:X. Dolby and DTS have happily co-existed for years, and this is no different. Furthermore, AV receivers from this year will be compatible with both.

 

[Series1boy]

I've already tried to explain to him that there isn't a sound format war *dash1*

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

Not sure what's the connection between VHS vs Betamax and Atmos vs DTS:X. Dolby and DTS have happily co-existed for years, and this is no different. Furthermore, AV receivers from this year will be compatible with both.

That's nice to know. Point is, right now, most receivers AREN'T DTS-X compatible, but "will be with a firmware update".

And I would hate to go out, buy a Bluray or whatever, thinking it's Atmos or DTS-X or ABC-123-FYLERTNFDSDFSdF or whatever next year's "latest and greatest" is only to find out my receiver won't play it. Even worse if I've ordered off Amazon or whoever, possibly in anticipation of its actual release, waiting weeks for the delivery. That's my point. Try putting a Betamax tape in a VHS machine if you don't understand. Even some manufactured CDs won't play in some CD players, for pity's sake.

Unless and until all these technical "latest and greatest" things sort themselves out, I won't risk spending my money. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

I've already tried to explain to him that there isn't a sound format war *dash1*

Only because Dolby holds the IP rights for both. Which one wins out with the content providers and manufacturers, however, has yet to be determined, and I'm not convinced every Bluray is going to come with two, three, four , five or six different audio files on the same disk, with content providers payin g two, three or four different license fees for each disk they sell.

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

I've already tried to explain to him that there isn't a sound format war *dash1*

Brunel preferrd borad gauge (because the boliers fitted between the wheels), everyone else used the 4 ft 8 1/4 inch standard guage. Some preferred narrow gauge copied from the tin mines.

Eddison and Tesla started one over AC vs DC electricity.

Then there were the various different television formats. Even in the 80s we had PAL in the UK and most of the rest of Europe, NTSC in North America, and the French, of course, had their own - SECAM.

And we 4-track cassette vs 8-track cartridge.

We had Betamax vs. VHS. And DVD-HD or HDDVD, it really doesn't matter, vs. Bluray.

Not to mention Sony Minidisc, DAT tapes, and all the others that fell by the wayside.....

And of course, every time the manufacturers said "there isn't going to be a format war".

Yeah, right.

 

[f1only]

Forget the sound formats what about the tech if you are comparing VHS with Beta Max? Oops you missed 16 track, mini disc, Cd, cassette tapes, Vinyl, laser discs, SSD in a nas drive or a normal platter HDD, usb stick, & memory card, sorry if i've forgotten a few like the old 78's lol

Now what did i do with the valves for my Gramaphone?

now why does that sound better?

You pays ya money you take your choice at the end of the day.. it ultimately depends on your ears & eyes cos we dont have to watch or listen to your system, if you like it, that is what matters not what any one else thinks.

 

[bigboss]

Not sure what's the connection between VHS vs Betamax and Atmos vs DTS:X. Dolby and DTS have happily co-existed for years, and this is no different. Furthermore, AV receivers from this year will be compatible with both.

That's nice to know.  Point is, right now, most receivers AREN'T DTS-X compatible, but "will be with a firmware update".

And I would hate to go out, buy a Bluray or whatever, thinking it's Atmos or DTS-X or ABC-123-FYLERTNFDSDFSdF or whatever next year's "latest and greatest" is only to find out my receiver won't play it.  Even worse if I've ordered off Amazon or whoever, possibly in anticipation of its actual release, waiting weeks for the delivery.  That's my point.  Try putting a Betamax tape in a VHS machine if you don't understand.  Even some manufactured CDs won't play in some CD players, for pity's sake.

Unless and until all these technical "latest and greatest" things sort themselves out, I won't risk spending my money.  And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Since there's no DTS:X blu ray discs yet, there's no point in the firmware update happening now. The manufacturers have already entered into an agreement with DTS regarding DTS:X support so I see no reason to panic about the compatibility / ability to play DTS:X if the manufacturer has already promised a DTS:X update.

http://listen.dts.com/pages/dts-x

There are only 3 object based formats: Atmos, Auro 3D and DTS:X. Auro 3D and Atmos have very different speaker configurations while DTS:X is flexible and can work with both speaker layouts. Given the fact that Auro 3D blu ray titles hasn't shown up yet (and the fact that some movies which were Auro 3D in cinemas are being released in Dolby Atmos on blu ray like Insurgent and The Hunger Games Mockingjay Part 1), I would configure my speakers as per Atmos format. There are more than 30 Atmos films already.

 

[Series1boy]

For over 15 years, DVDs have come with either DTS or Dolby. There is no difference now for atmos or dtsx, it will be the same I would suspect for the next 15 years on whatever media movies come out on. The soundtrack will be either DTSx or Dolby Atmos. There is no format war or anything to be decided because the cinemas or new latest receivers will play both.

your examples are physical media, devices etc and you cannot buy a combined hd dvd or bluray player can you? Hence the format war that BD won! Betamax vs vhs won and etc etc... The soundtrack isn't a physical entity.