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I am in the proccess of changing my tv. But which make/model best suits my needs?

The tv I have now is a Samsung le52m86bdx, A good tv full hd, and I would like stay at 50" screensize or larger.

I dont want 3d, and Im not too bothered if its last years tecnology.

So things I need on my tv are 50" or larger, I prefere lcd over plasma due to the dreaded screen burn issues. although I will consider plasma for the right tv. Must have full hd and good screen motion.(no bluring) and the ability to connect my Virgin broadband to the tv either via ethernet or wifi.(can this be done?) I would like to check out ebay on my tv.

Thats it, has anyone got ideas?
 
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why are you changing ? what are the aspects of your current tv that you dont like , or that you feel your new tv will need to improve upon ..?
 

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Mmmmm screenburn not an issue? I am yet to be convinced on this subject. I had a 50" Samsung plasma that boasted anti-screenburn in the menu and this I employed. Only to find after watching GMTV in the mornings before I went to work, on my return home later the same day. I found the GMTV logo and clock imprinted in the bottom left of the screen, where it remained for about three days. It did eventualy go.

Thats when I sold up and bought the LCD tv I have now.
 

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The motion on the screen would be improved, I watch a lot of football and motor sports.

Freeview HD would be a big benefit

And I want the ability to connect to my broadband.

If my tv had these abilitys I would keep it.
 

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swiftmick:I found the GMTV logo and clock imprinted in the bottom left of the screen, where it remained for about three days. It did eventualy go.

Then this was image retention. Screen burn is permanent. A quick blast of static (i.e. the white noise when you're not receiving a TV signal) usually cures image retention pretty quickly.
 
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The motion on the screen would be improved, I watch a lot of football and motor sports.

Freeview HD would be a big benefit

And I want the ability to connect to my broadband.

If my tv had these abilitys I would keep it.

the two obvious choices for me are the panasonic 50g20 plasma , and the sony 52ex503 lcd , both very good tvs , both have freeview hd , the pana also has freesat, im pretty sure both can take an ethernet cable too..

if it was me choosing , id go for the panasonic , better with motion imo...
 

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swiftmick:I found the GMTV logo and clock imprinted in the bottom left of the screen, where it remained for about three days. It did eventualy go.

Then this was image retention. Screen burn is permanent. A quick blast of static (i.e. the white noise when you're not receiving a TV signal) usually cures image retention pretty quickly.

I own a 2007-era plasma, never had any issues with screen-burn or image retention - and once or twice it's been inadvertently left on pause for approx 30 mins, without any long-term problems.

And if you're concerned about motion blur, avoid Philips's TVs.
 
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6th.replicant:And if you're concerned about motion blur, avoid Philips's TVs.

I have no motion issues with mine at all, although at 42" it is too small for the OP
 
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I saw that exact model in Richer sounds on monday, by far the most impressive TV on display. Out of my budget sadly.
 

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6th.replicant:And if you're concerned about motion blur, avoid Philips's TVs.

I have no motion issues with mine at all, although at 42" it is too small for the OP

Good to hear that you're not having motion-blur problems with your Philips - how unusual!

But you might want to take a look at this thread.

FWIW, I recently returned a Philips 47PFL7404 because of its appalling motion-blur (and backlight bleed).
 

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Mmmmm screenburn not an issue? I am yet to be convinced on this subject. I had a 50" Samsung plasma that boasted anti-screenburn in the menu and this I employed. Only to find after watching GMTV in the mornings before I went to work, on my return home later the same day. I found the GMTV logo and clock imprinted in the bottom left of the screen, where it remained for about three days. It did eventualy go.

Thats when I sold up and bought the LCD tv I have now.

I had a Kuro 5090, and neither screen retention or burn was an issue although I sold it eventually. I am in neither camp ie. plasma vs lcd but one thing that I notice with panasonics plasmas, as good as they may be, is that the screen has a rather grey tinge to it, even when switched off. This means that the deepest 'black' they can produce with on screen material, is this native screen colour. Black it ain't.

Now, you can say what you want about black levels, resolution in darker scenes, I would disregard these particular plasmas for that reason alone. Nice 'natural' pictures though and no motion issues of note. They also lack the dot crawl which was rather noticeable on the Kuros. I haven't seen any of the higher end Panas so can't comment on those but I'd say the ones I've seen need a filter of some sort.

Horses for courses and I said it before, the perfect allround telly does'nt exist (yet). As always, my opinion only.
 

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drummerman:swiftmick:
Mmmmm screenburn not an issue? I am yet to be convinced on this subject. I had a 50" Samsung plasma that boasted anti-screenburn in the menu and this I employed. Only to find after watching GMTV in the mornings before I went to work, on my return home later the same day. I found the GMTV logo and clock imprinted in the bottom left of the screen, where it remained for about three days. It did eventualy go.

Thats when I sold up and bought the LCD tv I have now.

I had a Kuro 5090...
Drummerman, out of interest, what did you choose to replace your Kuro?

Ta.
 

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6th.replicant:drummerman:swiftmick:
Mmmmm screenburn not an issue? I am yet to be convinced on this subject. I had a 50" Samsung plasma that boasted anti-screenburn in the menu and this I employed. Only to find after watching GMTV in the mornings before I went to work, on my return home later the same day. I found the GMTV logo and clock imprinted in the bottom left of the screen, where it remained for about three days. It did eventualy go.

Thats when I sold up and bought the LCD tv I have now.

I had a Kuro 5090...
Drummerman, out of interest, what did you choose to replace your Kuro?

Ta.

6th.replicant, I am using a 3 or so year old Panasonic LCD 37" which was relegated to bedroom duties when the Kuro arrived. However, I am currently looking for a midrange set, maximum 46", perhaps 42" of no more than around £1000. The one I like is Panasonics TX-L42D25B, imo better than equivelant sony's, especially colour. I don't think they do a 46 or 50" model though.

The one bugbear I constantly had with the Kuro was an overall lack of brightness and to much dimming in bright scenes. Did other things well though it was to big.
 

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Mmmmm screenburn not an issue? I am yet to be convinced on this subject. I had a 50" Samsung plasma that boasted anti-screenburn in the menu and this I employed. Only to find after watching GMTV in the mornings before I went to work, on my return home later the same day. I found the GMTV logo and clock imprinted in the bottom left of the screen, where it remained for about three days. It did eventualy go.

Thats when I sold up and bought the LCD tv I have now.

I had a Kuro 5090...
Drummerman, out of interest, what did you choose to replace your Kuro?

Ta....The one bugbear I constantly had with the Kuro was an overall lack of brightness and to much dimming in bright scenes. Did other things well though it was to big.

Thanks for reply.

Hmm, might have to reassess my desire to track down a Kuro 5090...
 

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6th.replicant:drummerman:6th.replicant:drummerman:swiftmick:
Mmmmm screenburn not an issue? I am yet to be convinced on this subject. I had a 50" Samsung plasma that boasted anti-screenburn in the menu and this I employed. Only to find after watching GMTV in the mornings before I went to work, on my return home later the same day. I found the GMTV logo and clock imprinted in the bottom left of the screen, where it remained for about three days. It did eventualy go.

Thats when I sold up and bought the LCD tv I have now.

I had a Kuro 5090...
Drummerman, out of interest, what did you choose to replace your Kuro?

Ta....The one bugbear I constantly had with the Kuro was an overall lack of brightness and to much dimming in bright scenes. Did other things well though it was to big.

Thanks for reply.

Hmm, might have to reassess my desire to track down a Kuro 5090...

Don't do that on the basis of what I just said, its just something that I personally found irritating. If you watch predominantly in (very) dark surroundings, it may not be a problem for you. Just bear that in mind.
 

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drummerman:6th.replicant:drummerman:6th.replicant:drummerman:
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I had a Kuro 5090...
Drummerman, out of interest, what did you choose to replace your Kuro?

Ta....The one bugbear I constantly had with the Kuro was an overall lack of brightness and to much dimming in bright scenes. Did other things well though it was to big.

Thanks for reply.

Hmm, might have to reassess my desire to track down a Kuro 5090...

Don't do that on the basis of what I just said, its just something that I personally found irritating. If you watch predominantly in (very) dark surroundings, it may not be a problem for you. Just bear that in mind.

I always try to view when it's dark or with blinds shut. Of course I'll aim for a demo, but that's not always possible when buying 2nd-hand...

Anyway, cheers for sharing your views.
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swiftmick:

Mmmmm screenburn not an issue? I am yet to be convinced on this subject. I had a 50" Samsung plasma that boasted anti-screenburn in the menu and this I employed. Only to find after watching GMTV in the mornings before I went to work, on my return home later the same day. I found the GMTV logo and clock imprinted in the bottom left of the screen, where it remained for about three days. It did eventualy go.

Thats when I sold up and bought the LCD tv I have now.

Im not suprised you had image retention on a samsung plasma, they run really warn and to my knowlege thats a major factor....... aswell as being rubbish.

If its a 50"+ TV Id go for a plasma rather LCD.......

Id disagree with another comment in finding an all rounder...... plamsa I feel is the all rounder.

Better on standared def than LCD, also very good with HD content, with LCD probably a little better.

Black levels on plasmas are better than Lcd and contrast with in the blacks are better, with some Lcd tv's manufatures, they put a black filter in the screen so your blacks arn't that horrid green/gray colour, the problem with this is when watching a dark film i.e. Dark knight, the blacks are nice and black but there is no detail with in them.

This is one reason why the pioneer kuro was such a popular tv, and was plasma........ Pioneer no longer make kuro's (massive shame) but Panasonic have taken some of there engineers for there 2010 range.
 

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I agree with certain points you raise but I've seen good examples of both technologies. I was impressed with Samsungs more expensive screens a year ago and, more recently, with a certain panasonic LED/LCD. The Kuro, a decent telly, wasn't faultless either even if some punters like to proclaim so ...
 
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a decent telly ? the best telly ever , id say that makes it more than decent ..nothing is perfect , true , but the kuro , designed in 07 , is still the best tv , amazing really ..
 

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Black levels on plasmas are better than Lcd and contrast with in the blacks are better, with some Lcd tv's manufatures, they put a black filter in the screen so your blacks arn't that horrid green/gray colour, the problem with this is when watching a dark film i.e. Dark knight, the blacks are nice and black but there is no detail with in them.

Glad to see I am not the only one to notice this issue! LCD TVs can't compete with plasma when it comes to shadow details, which is a very important factor for the picture quality.

Actually with the introduction of LED-backlit technology in LCD TVs, the black levels are now as good as on plasma TVs. Unfortunately the shadow details seem to suffer even more on these kind of TVs than ever.

I actually also just watched Batman, not the Dark Knight, but Batman Begins. It was at one of my friends place who just bought the highly regarded Philips 9704. Standing in the cave my friend commented: "Look at that deep black". Exactly, and that is the problem. The screen was completely black. No details what so ever!
 

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