What is the Best Value for Money Second hand Hifi Equipment

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Ok so I've started to get in to the world of high fidelity a bit more actively over the past year or so and have decided I want to upgrade to a decent system. But unfortunately, as I am a student (a better student with my money than most fortunately) I am on a pretty tight budget when compared with most audiophiles. I think overall the most I am probably willing to pay is £300 for a full system, although I am often swayed by a good deal.

Firstly, I cant decide whether I want floorstanders or stand mounters; I have it in my head that i want floorstanders because, if I'm honest i think they just look much cooler, and they look like they should be better. But when I think about it, stand mounters seem like they are probably much better value for money? Or am I wrong?

Secondly I would just like peoples ideas on best value for money speakers and stereo amplifiers out there? I am not too bothered about Cd players as i rarely play my Cd's, although considering I use my laptop alot I guess a DAC would be useful. I'm a very good bargain hunter when it comes to the internet so feel free to give suggestions a little out of my price range.

Cheers for any help, Michael.
 

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Kef x300a - they're not second hand and twice your budget, but it's all you need.. DAC, amp and speakers all in one :)
 
I'm not sure there really is a particular brand that answers your headline question. I'd say the best used stuff is either with a dependable dealer who will help you get the best from it, or from an eBay seller who has treasured it and it is not the most popular item.

The computer requirement makes it harder, but you might get a used Arcam rPac and a reasonable amp and pair of speakers for around £100 each, so meeting your limit. Might be worth considering a Sonos Play 5 too, slightly used, plus bridge. Not really hifi but jolly decent.

I imagine floor standers would limit your options, though you can get impressive looking but awful sounding "towers" for very little. Something smaller makes a lot more sense while you are studying.
 

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Where do I look for Dougal's thread?

Well to be honest the DAC isn't a major issue for now and I'll probably look at getting at a later date as aux to rca is works fine for me at the moment, just thought as I'm upgrading the system I may as well make sure the input is up to scratch.

I understand that there is no right or wrong answer to the question but I am just curious as to what people think are some of the best value for money speakers around. For instance I found another forum where a guy had asked a similar question regarding amps, and the pioneer A400 came up frequently as a very good amp for the money; cambridge audio amps also come up alot as very good amps for the money ect.

I have found some good deals on speakers at the moment:

B&W Dm 604 - £100 (tweeter condition is questionable, need to ask seller some more questions)
B&W 685 with stands - £180 (a bit over budget but theyre so nice)
Tannoy R2 Revolution - £100 (Seem good, dont know too much about them)
Polk audio tsi 400 - £150 ( price seems negociable but cant find too much about the speakers)
B&W Dm 602.5 - £65 (easily the best deal but am very suspicious as to why theyre so cheap)

I havent really looked at amps yet, wasnt sure whether it was better to match an amp to the speakers or the speakers to the amp, but as far as im aware there seems to be more amps on the second hand market then speakers.
 

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Michael, the best system for you will depend upon so many things. Are you willing to do some not-too-difficult DIY repairs or servicing on anything you buy? Do you want a vinyl source? Are you after the best sound quality for your £300, or are looks and size important? Do you have a car - so that you can travel for cash-on-collections?

When buying 2nd hand it all depends what deals you come across.

If you go for a solid state amp, which is a good choice at this budget level, you'll find that any decent amp will sound fine with any decent speakers. IE you don't need to worry about matching them.

I'll throw out a few intial suggestions. Speakers vintage Goodmans Magisters or Magnums, Royd various models, Heybrook HB3's or HB2's, Epos ES14's etc etc etc. Amps, on an ultra budget A&R A60, or for a bit more money a vintage battleship Japanese amp.
 

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Hi Michael

yu can get a second hand NAD 3020i or a later version, for speakers go for MA B series or or BR. And spend the moust of the money on a decent DAC, like a CA DACmagic.
 

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I would consider an ol high quality AV amp. You can pick up an Arcam AVR200 for steal and that will have a good quality amp, and pre-amp stage. It has the benefit of a DAC as well. You could then get good speakers to go along with it - a pair of Tannoy Revolution R2 for instance. This set up would give you the option to add a sub later should you wish. Rock solid build and unlikely to lose you any money over the next few years.
 

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Yeah im willing to do DIY repairs, if anything i prefer it as I learn as I go. I could probably do reasonably complicated repairs I think. I do an engineering degree and have studied amps to a relatively simple level but can teach myself more if needs be. Also i conveniently live right next to the neat acoustics factory and the guys in there a pretty helpful!
Yeah I would probably go with solid state and a vinyl source is probably unlikely. I wouldnt say I entirely agree with the idea that analogue sounds so much better than digital, but I havent done any tests so I could be wrong!
If what kind of music I listen to is important then I'd say the stuff would have to be versatile as I have a very eclectic taste in music but i mostly listen to blues, hihop, rock, acoustic and some of the more chilled out drum and bass and dubstep like submotion orchestra, so i guess bass is quite important in alot of these styles but I have a REL strata sub which I'd probably add to the system. I'l take a look at those suggestions, thanks.
 

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Oh and I can pick things up if needs be although i dont drive i could get lifts, and looks are vaguely important like as I guess they take up alot of room but not too important. Like I think some of the older NAD amps n stuff are really ugly but if the sound is good i dont mind. Also sorry for the posts being a bit untidy i put paragraphs in but they dont come up when i post them for some reason.
 

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TheHomeCinemaCentre said:
I would consider an ol high quality AV amp. You can pick up an Arcam AVR200 for steal and that will have a good quality amp, and pre-amp stage. It has the benefit of a DAC as well. You could then get good speakers to go along with it - a pair of Tannoy Revolution R2 for instance. This set up would give you the option to add a sub later should you wish. Rock solid build and unlikely to lose you any money over the next few years.

+1

Got a pair of tannoy R2's & they still rock!! :boohoo:
 

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If they're in good condition and fully working, I'd pay a ton for them any day. If memory serves, they are big, robust sounding speakers, best off with quite a punchy amp to keep order. I'm gonna break with my NAD/Rotel bias and recommend the Sony TAF-B940R amplifier. But failing that a Rotel RA971mk2 would be an excellent choice...(sorry). The Rotels normally go for about £80-100, the Sony for £50-80 (which surprised me quite a lot.).

If you fancy some different speakers, try perhaps Mordaunt-Short's older models, notably the MS3.30 (large standmounters), 3.40 and 3.50 (floorstanders). B&W DM600 series from mid 90s were also brilliant. These all go for stupidly low prices but IMHO they really are a bargain.

This should leave you a bit of dosh towards a DAC...
 

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Well yeah I've been looking at the B&W speakers alot, I'm not sure why, I get attached to brands quite easily. There is a guy near me selling some B&W DM604's for £100 but with damaged tweeters, I emailed B&W and they said i can have them delivered for £80. There was also an add i saw for some DM602.5 S3s for £65 which is incredible but I'm not sure how legit this ad is! I keep meaning to look for some B&W book shelves though as i feel theyre probably better value for money. So currently my options are: B&W DM604 for £180, B&W DM602.5 S3's for £65 (Which il definitely take if i can) and Tannoy Revolution R2s for £100. I'l have a look at those amps too thanks.
 

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These beauties go for £30-50 on average. If it's value for money you want, these or Mission 780s take some beating.

EDIT. I will get this photo link to display if it kills me...

DOUBLE EDIT. Or not... The photo is of a pair of B&W DM600i, it's showing in my post, but not in the thread for some reason. Harrumph.
 

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You can buy very good sound quality for under £300 nowadays. My choice at this price would probably be a Behringer UCA202 DAC/volume controller used together with some Yamaha HS50M speakers which have the amplifiers already built into them.

Total cost £266.

Yamaha HS50M speakers Clicky

Behringer UCA202 DAC Clicky

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i'd suggest you try a cambridge audio amplifier and a pair of mission speakers. thats how i got started, and it kept me very happy. there's loads of choice on ebay, as for connecting your laptop, primarily, you can just buy a cable that runs from your headphone socket on your laptop to the back of your amp, that would suffice for now, but i would reccomend buying a cd player too. again, a cambridge audio one off ebay will be great.

you could spend a lot less than 300 quid if you follow those lines.
 

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