hi there i was looking at buying a new subwoofer i have a budget of £300 to £350 i love really deep bass,i current set up includes a Sony Bravia KDL40W4500,and a sony str dh800,and a sony bdp s360,and sky hd and i am using a set of kef 1005 eggs but i hated the subwoofer included (the kube 1) so i sold that,and now i need a new subwoofer.I am currently looking at a second hand kef htb2se for £275 or a brand new BK XLS200 MK2 for £300 but as i have never heard anything from the bk range i am unsure which way to go or should i be looking elsewhere ? PLEASE HELP AS I DONT WANT TO END UP MAKING THE WRONG CHOICE !!
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Frank Harvey
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You could have a scout around for a Monitor Audio RSW12 - cracking sub for around the £400 mark, and they're normally £750.
FRANK - how good are the rsw12 i love my bass loud and deep i had a kef htb2 2 years ago and i thought that was impressive would the rsw12 beat that,thanks stu.also looking at a REL T2 and a REL Q201E are either of these anygood ???
Frank Harvey
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The HTB2se is a good little sub, but it's use of the second passive bass driver does mean it loses a bit of speed to some of it's rivals. The RSW12 uses a larger bass driver which can shift more air, and can also reach deeper thanks partly to it's larger cabinet volume. I've never been a REL fan myself, so would prefer the RSW12. You'd have to be looking at KEF's XQ sub to reach deeper.
I have the RSW12 and its amazing.
I did have the R370HD but sold it and saved some money and bought the RSW12 and never looked back.
It really shows some muscle when needed, I have the subwoofer next to my seated position and I dont even know its there, it fills the room.
Peter tyson had some Silver color ones for 299.00 but I think they might have been sold.
I did have the R370HD but sold it and saved some money and bought the RSW12 and never looked back.
It really shows some muscle when needed, I have the subwoofer next to my seated position and I dont even know its there, it fills the room.
Peter tyson had some Silver color ones for 299.00 but I think they might have been sold.
The_Lhc
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FrankHarveyHiFi:I've never been a REL fan myself
Any particular reason why? Given they're arguably the biggest name in the sector you'd expect them to have something going for them.
I notice they don't appear to supply units for review to WHF either, which is a pain.
Any particular reason why? Given they're arguably the biggest name in the sector you'd expect them to have something going for them.
I notice they don't appear to supply units for review to WHF either, which is a pain.
I think BK subwoofers used to supply Rel with the speakers, and heard good things about the BK subwoofers, but not to many pro reviews out there.
What hifi have one from the gemini range, but they have 5 or so other models which people rave about.
The monolith is massive and heard it is one of the best subwoofers people have heard at this price.
BK take about 1 month to make and deilver as they make to order, and they have a habbit of not responding to emails, but apparantly they are worth waiting for.
What hifi have one from the gemini range, but they have 5 or so other models which people rave about.
The monolith is massive and heard it is one of the best subwoofers people have heard at this price.
BK take about 1 month to make and deilver as they make to order, and they have a habbit of not responding to emails, but apparantly they are worth waiting for.
Frank Harvey
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the_lhc:Any particular reason why? Given they're arguably the biggest name in the sector you'd expect them to have something going for them. I notice they don't appear to supply units for review to WHF either, which is a pain.
I used to like REL in the early 90's - loved the original Strata, and the Studio was awesome, even if it was the size of a small car. Since then they've started making subs smaller, which is probably what people want, but once you start doing that they'll be compromised. With a sub, there is no substitute for cabinet volume and driver size. A sub has to shift air to do it's job properly, and although I used to like the little REL Quake, it's not really going to be used in a serious AV system.
I used to like REL in the early 90's - loved the original Strata, and the Studio was awesome, even if it was the size of a small car. Since then they've started making subs smaller, which is probably what people want, but once you start doing that they'll be compromised. With a sub, there is no substitute for cabinet volume and driver size. A sub has to shift air to do it's job properly, and although I used to like the little REL Quake, it's not really going to be used in a serious AV system.
The_Lhc
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FrankHarveyHiFi:
the_lhc:Any particular reason why? Given they're arguably the biggest name in the sector you'd expect them to have something going for them. I notice they don't appear to supply units for review to WHF either, which is a pain.
I used to like REL in the early 90's - loved the original Strata, and the Studio was awesome, even if it was the size of a small car. Since then they've started making subs smaller, which is probably what people want, but once you start doing that they'll be compromised. With a sub, there is no substitute for cabinet volume and driver size. A sub has to shift air to do it's job properly, and although I used to like the little REL Quake, it's not really going to be used in a serious AV system.
Hmmm, if their room at the Bristol Show was anything to go by they still make massive ones, I was in there for a good 5 minutes before I realised that the coffee table in the middle of the room was actually a sub.
There's no way I could justify something like that in my living room though, so it's the smaller ones I'm interested in, with a full understanding of the compromises.
I don't really see why that should be an issue levelled solely at REL though, from what I can see everyone makes at least one small sub, it's common sense if that's what the market wants.
the_lhc:Any particular reason why? Given they're arguably the biggest name in the sector you'd expect them to have something going for them. I notice they don't appear to supply units for review to WHF either, which is a pain.
I used to like REL in the early 90's - loved the original Strata, and the Studio was awesome, even if it was the size of a small car. Since then they've started making subs smaller, which is probably what people want, but once you start doing that they'll be compromised. With a sub, there is no substitute for cabinet volume and driver size. A sub has to shift air to do it's job properly, and although I used to like the little REL Quake, it's not really going to be used in a serious AV system.
Hmmm, if their room at the Bristol Show was anything to go by they still make massive ones, I was in there for a good 5 minutes before I realised that the coffee table in the middle of the room was actually a sub.
There's no way I could justify something like that in my living room though, so it's the smaller ones I'm interested in, with a full understanding of the compromises.
I don't really see why that should be an issue levelled solely at REL though, from what I can see everyone makes at least one small sub, it's common sense if that's what the market wants.
I have the newer verion of the RSW12 and I'm delighted with it so if you can get the old model in your budget do get one but the BK gets good reviews on some forums so I would consider them at this price range. I was not impressed by the cheaper REL subs but I suppose you get what you pay for!
FrankHarveyHiFi:
You could have a scout around for a Monitor Audio RSW12 - cracking sub for around the £400 mark, and they're normally £750.
I am also looking for a sub for my BR5 package and i have been looking on the internet for a RSW12 myself but cannot find a black ash or gloss black one. Do you know of any place selling in these colour's for £400, i would really appreciate it. Thank's
You could have a scout around for a Monitor Audio RSW12 - cracking sub for around the £400 mark, and they're normally £750.
I am also looking for a sub for my BR5 package and i have been looking on the internet for a RSW12 myself but cannot find a black ash or gloss black one. Do you know of any place selling in these colour's for £400, i would really appreciate it. Thank's
Ebay has some, well they did the other day.
From a place called SMCUSTOM INSTAL. I bought 1 from them, and called instead of buying on ebay, and they knocked 50.00 off.
Give them a call.
http://www.smccustominstalls.co.uk/
From a place called SMCUSTOM INSTAL. I bought 1 from them, and called instead of buying on ebay, and they knocked 50.00 off.
Give them a call.
http://www.smccustominstalls.co.uk/
Sliced Bread
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DR KAY:FrankHarveyHiFi:
You could have a scout around for a Monitor Audio RSW12 - cracking sub for around the £400 mark, and they're normally £750.
I am also looking for a sub for my BR5 package and i have been looking on the internet for a RSW12 myself but cannot find a black ash or gloss black one. Do you know of any place selling in these colour's for £400, i would really appreciate it. Thank's
I bought an RSW12 over the weekend (delivered monday). I paid £395 for it in the glossy Piano Black from hifix. I saw them on the website around Thursday or Friday at that price, however then when I came to order it on the saturday it had gone up to £495. I telephoned them to ask if they would accept £395 as advertised earlier in the week and they agreed. Bargain. Probably worth a shot if your intereseted.
As for the performance....well I'm very happy with it. It replaced an MJ Acoustics Reference 100 mk 2 and it is a clear improvement. Faster, deeper and punchier!
One thing though...it took a few hours of running it in before opening up a bit and after that it sounds fantastic. I have heard that it gets better over a few weeks use too.
You could have a scout around for a Monitor Audio RSW12 - cracking sub for around the £400 mark, and they're normally £750.
I am also looking for a sub for my BR5 package and i have been looking on the internet for a RSW12 myself but cannot find a black ash or gloss black one. Do you know of any place selling in these colour's for £400, i would really appreciate it. Thank's
I bought an RSW12 over the weekend (delivered monday). I paid £395 for it in the glossy Piano Black from hifix. I saw them on the website around Thursday or Friday at that price, however then when I came to order it on the saturday it had gone up to £495. I telephoned them to ask if they would accept £395 as advertised earlier in the week and they agreed. Bargain. Probably worth a shot if your intereseted.
As for the performance....well I'm very happy with it. It replaced an MJ Acoustics Reference 100 mk 2 and it is a clear improvement. Faster, deeper and punchier!
One thing though...it took a few hours of running it in before opening up a bit and after that it sounds fantastic. I have heard that it gets better over a few weeks use too.
Took me 1 month to get the best out of mine.
Remember work it in slowly and dont just give it tons and tons of bass.
Remember work it in slowly and dont just give it tons and tons of bass.
Sliced Bread
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canada16: Took me 1 month to get the best out of mine.
Good to know it'll improve further
canada16: Remember work it in slowly and dont just give it tons and tons of bass.
Spoil sport
Does it damage it?
Good to know it'll improve further
canada16: Remember work it in slowly and dont just give it tons and tons of bass.
Spoil sport
Does it damage it?
hi thank you for all your advice but i have chosen to buy a second hand B&W ASW675 with a pair of B&W DM602 S3 speakers with a pair of atacama stands and the guy has said he will throw in a QED sub cable and a load of qed speaker cable too have a done the right thing £300 delivered and all in mint condition.
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