Stevebrock, Cno, CJ... pin back your lug-holes.

[drummerman]

Very surprised by some of the responses. This is a hi-fi/AV forum, allegedly.

I won't EDITED bother commenting in future.

It is a hifi forum and your opinion is imo as valid as anyone elses.

Looking forward to your impressions on the icon

Regards

 

[floyd droid]

Can I come too? Maybe we could talk hybrids.... :wave:

Thats just reminded me that I've got to go t'other side of Camborne next week 😉.

Pasty munchers will get my drift here.

 

[stevebrock]

PP just enjoy your Leema

Im enjoying my ST40, whatever anybody else thinks is irrelevant to me

 

[floyd droid]

Very surprised by some of the responses.

I'm not surprised in the least PP.

Now then , if you started the thread with. 'Ive found an Icon dealer nearby so may have a dem soon and will report back on whether it floats my boat'.

Then furry muff.

Now read your posts again and the bits 'highlighted' by my drinking partner ( post 11 page 1).

Still surprised ?.

 

[Al ears]

Can I come too? Maybe we could talk hybrids.... :wave:

Thats just reminded me that I've got to go t'other side of Camborne next week 😉.

Pasty munchers will get my drift here.

 

[plastic penguin]

Very surprised by some of the responses.

I'm not surprised in the least PP.

Now then , if you started the thread with. 'Ive found an Icon dealer nearby so may have a dem soon and will report back on whether it floats my boat'.

Then furry muff.

Now read your posts again and the bits 'highlighted' by my drinking partner ( post 11 page 1).

Still surprised ?.

1st Chebby was replying to another poster who told him to "calm down". 2nd I'm not deciding for others, but coming from a SS background it'll be a good audition, whether I like the valve sound or not.

When I spoke to Ben at the dealers I told him that I haven't heard a valve amp in some time, and asked whether it would be possible to hear one? He replied "we generally have at least one ticking over in the shop blah blah."

 

[steve_1979]

I haven't heard many valve amps so I'll be interested to hear what PP thinks. The few valves that I have heard haven't be my cup of tea though. While they're not unpleasent to listen to in any way they lacked a bit of 'focus' compared to solid state amps.

 

[floyd droid]

I'm not deciding for others, but coming from a SS background it'll be a good audition, whether I like the valve sound or not.

For sure it will be an interesting audition , although for example an Audio Research VSi75 alongside the Icon, would really throw you. Or even the Icon ST60 for that matter.

Theres valve sound and theres valve sound *. Personaly I think a yank tank would maybe more to your likeing , but hey ye never know.

* Valves dont actually have a sound PP , its all down to the circuitry and how they react to it. Therefore one KT88 / KT120 / whatever/ based amp will sound quite different to another brand.

 

[stevebrock]

I haven't heard many valve amps so I'll be interested to hear what PP thinks. The few valves that I have heard haven't be my cup of tea though. While they're not unpleasent to listen to in any way they lacked a bit of 'focus' compared to solid state amps.

I was a bit sceptical if I am honest

Go and listen to one, you will be pleasantly surprised, if not then valves are not for you!

 

[Al ears]

I'm not deciding for others, but coming from a SS background it'll be a good audition, whether I like the valve sound or not.

For sure it will be an interesting audition , although for example an Audio Research VSi75 alongside the Icon, would really throw you. Or even the Icon ST60 for that matter.

Theres valve sound and theres valve sound *. Personaly I think a yank tank would maybe more to your likeing , but hey ye never know.

* Valves dont actually have a sound PP , its all down to the circuitry and how they react to it. Therefore one KT88 / KT120 / whatever/ based amp will sound quite different to another brand.

Quite agree. No mention of Prima Lunas yet I see, always worth a look see.

As for Yank Tanks you could not go far wrong with a McIntosh MC275 but then that's twice the price of an ST40.

 

[stevebrock]

Can;t get enough of mine today BTW, cant stop playing LPs 🙂

 

[plastic penguin]

I'm not deciding for others, but coming from a SS background it'll be a good audition, whether I like the valve sound or not.

For sure it will be an interesting audition , although for example an Audio Research VSi75 alongside the Icon, would really throw you. Or even the Icon ST60 for that matter.

Theres valve sound and theres valve sound *. Personaly I think a yank tank would maybe more to your likeing , but hey ye never know.

* Valves dont actually have a sound PP , its all down to the circuitry and how they react to it. Therefore one KT88 / KT120 / whatever/ based amp will sound quite different to another brand.

I'm sure any 8k amp (Audio Research) would paint a totally different picture to a £1600-£2500 (ST40/ST60) example.

If I had said I was going to audition a Electrocompaniet EC1-3 or a Caspian M2, would it of created as much negative response? I very much doubt it. Almost as if posters feel I've constantly slagged off valves... oops, note to self: Valves do not have a sound. 😉

But this'll be the first time I've ever heard a valve amp with my own speakers, side-by-side with a very familiar amp.

 

[floyd droid]

I'm sure any 8k amp (Audio Research) would paint a totally different picture to a £1600-£2500 (ST40/ST60) example.

Yes of course it would but forget the price differential , I was trying (failed) to........

Aww nevermind 🙂.

 

[chebby]

If I had said I was going to audition a Electrocompaniet EC1-3 or a Caspian M2, would it of created as much negative response? I very much doubt it.

Stop evading the point.

You clearly stated (and I quoted you earlier) that you were going to ...

"hear whether they justify all the recent hype"

and

"see if these bunch of guys are right or not".

Stop squirming please.

My objection was not related to brands or even valve technology. It was to your arrogance in saying you were going to decide - from your demo - if people are right to like it or not and whether their enthusiasm is 'hype'.

How would you like it if Floyd, for example, announced he had arranged a Leema demo to see if your amp 'stacked up' or not. To see if you were right or not, and to test whether your enthusiasm for Leema was hype?

 

[plastic penguin]

If I had said I was going to audition a Electrocompaniet EC1-3 or a Caspian M2, would it of created as much negative response? I very much doubt it.

Stop evading the point.

You clearly stated (and I quoted you earlier) that you were going to ...

"hear whether they justify all the recent hype"

and

"see if these bunch of guys are right or not".

Stop squirming please.

My objection was not related to brands or even valve technology. It was to your arrogance in saying you were going to decide - from your demo - if people are right to like it or not and whether their enthusiasm is 'hype'.

How would you like it if Floyd, for example, announced he had arranged a Leema demo to see if your amp 'stacked up' or not. To see if you were right or not, and to test whether your enthusiasm for Leema was hype?

Not evading, nor am I squirming anything. God sake, Chebby, this is ridiculous.

You can pick up on any semantics as you like, countless ones I could of you, but there's no agenda... you've accused me of spending too much time at dealers, whereas you enjoy photography... doesn't stop you from posting replies that has little relevence., does it?

Not only that but you've taken the EDITED out of my username. If the tables were turned you would've gone bananas.

 

[chebby]

I'm out of here.

In the mean time i'll look forward to PP'ing myself laughing when you eventually report back on your 'discovery' of valve amplifiers and whether their owners are right to like them or not.

 

[plastic penguin]

I'm sure any 8k amp (Audio Research) would paint a totally different picture to a £1600-£2500 (ST40/ST60) example.

Yes of course it would but forget the price differential , I was trying (failed) to........

Aww nevermind 🙂.

I know what you're getting at (I think) but at the end of the day I'm going to hear a £1600 valve amp. Nothing more, even less....

I wouldn't entertain a vastly more expensive amp. Don't have the money... assuming I was going to buy, which I'm not.

 

[plastic penguin]

I'm out of here.

In the mean time i'll look forward to PP'ing myself laughing when you eventually report back on your 'discovery' of valve amplifiers and whether their owners are right to like them or not.

Well, if that's your entertainment, then so be it. But if I can pass back any useful info, it can't do any harm. Different strokes....

 

[iceman16]

Hi PP

I hope you will have an extensive demo of a valve amp. and the type of music you play. Only heard a few but IMHO they really excel with jazz and classical.🙂

 

[Excitable Boy]

Hi PP

I hope you will have an extensive demo of a valve amp. and the type of music you play. Only heard a few but IMHO they really excel with jazz and classical.🙂

and "Hotel California" of course.......

 

[CJSF]

Hi PP

I hope you will have an extensive demo of a valve amp. and the type of music you play. Only heard a few but IMHO they really excel with jazz and classical.🙂

Absolutely superb at female voice and picking up the atmosphere/ambiance at live performance also live/direct recording . . . I listen to some superb choir and pipe organ music, try Organ and Trumpet together!!!

CJSF

 

[CJSF]

If I had said I was going to audition a Electrocompaniet EC1-3 or a Caspian M2, would it of created as much negative response? I very much doubt it.

Stop evading the point.

You clearly stated (and I quoted you earlier) that you were going to ...

"hear whether they justify all the recent hype"

and

"see if these bunch of guys are right or not".

Stop squirming please.

My objection was not related to brands or even valve technology. It was to your arrogance in saying you were going to decide - from your demo - if people are right to like it or not and whether their enthusiasm is 'hype'.

How would you like it if Floyd, for example, announced he had arranged a Leema demo to see if your amp 'stacked up' or not. To see if you were right or not, and to test whether your enthusiasm for Leema was hype?

. . . the title to the thread alone is enough to set things off . . . the word 'arrogance' comes to mind . . . trying to keep it acceptable . . . ?

 

[shep1968]

Who's mentioned conspiracy?

Okay, wanna see if these bunch of guys are right or not. As I mentioned in a previous post I wanna see where the Leema (I know it's the anti-christ to you) stands in the vast multitude of amps out there.

Can understand why you want to compare your equipment to others out there but it is human nature to want to think that you have made the best purchase out there. If there is an amp that is at the same price base as the Naim i have just bought i do not want to know that i have made a mistake and there was something better.

I dont know you apart from the considerable help you showed me when asking for advice but the average punter would want to come out of it and say well ive heard them all and nothing compares to the choice i originally made.

Interesting that you are travelling some distance to hear something that you have no intention of buying regardless it sounds as if Glenn Frey is in the same room as you. Does the dealer know this and if not will you tell him or recompense him for his time?

 

[plastic penguin]

Who's mentioned conspiracy?

Okay, wanna see if these bunch of guys are right or not. As I mentioned in a previous post I wanna see where the Leema (I know it's the anti-christ to you) stands in the vast multitude of amps out there.

Can understand why you want to compare your equipment to others out there but it is human nature to want to think that you have made the best purchase out there. If there is an amp that is at the same price base as the Naim i have just bought i do not want to know that i have made a mistake and there was something better.

I dont know you apart from the considerable help you showed me when asking for advice but the average punter would want to come out of it and say well ive heard them all and nothing compares to the choice i originally made.

Interesting that you are travelling some distance to hear something that you have no intention of buying regardless it sounds as if Glenn Frey is in the same room as you. Does the dealer know this and if not will you tell him or recompense him for his time?

If you read my opening gambit, you'll see I've at least a month before I can get over there. That's purely because I won't just take a day off work, I'll attempt cover both scenarios.

Yes, made it crystal to the dealer that I'll won't be buying in the short-term.

 

[plastic penguin]

If I had said I was going to audition a Electrocompaniet EC1-3 or a Caspian M2, would it of created as much negative response? I very much doubt it.

Stop evading the point.

You clearly stated (and I quoted you earlier) that you were going to ...

"hear whether they justify all the recent hype"

and

"see if these bunch of guys are right or not".

Stop squirming please.

My objection was not related to brands or even valve technology. It was to your arrogance in saying you were going to decide - from your demo - if people are right to like it or not and whether their enthusiasm is 'hype'.

How would you like it if Floyd, for example, announced he had arranged a Leema demo to see if your amp 'stacked up' or not. To see if you were right or not, and to test whether your enthusiasm for Leema was hype?

. . . the title to the thread alone is enough to set things off . . . the word 'arrogance' comes to mind . . . trying to keep it acceptable . . . ?

Cj, you don't know me from a hole in the wall. If you did you would instantly know I'm not arrogant in the least. The title was an attempt to add a little humour, and make it a little original. I was trying to go back to the early days when I gave threads strange titles. I used to be a thread junky. Take a look at these. Some had good responses, some didn't.

This one or this...perhaps this.

So weird were some of the titles I can't even remember them.