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Has anybody got any views on the Sony 32W4000. I am in the market for a new 32incher to replace my 32 inch sony crt. Most of my viewing is good old SD, so I need a TV with the best SD picture.
 
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Sorry to say and people will not like this but you may be in for a shock by replacing a good CRT with a 32" LCD in terms of SD viewing. I've seen some real shockers.

So I'm lucky enough to be sitting here watching the Monaco Grand Prix on my 42" Kuro via upscaled Sky and trying to make the best of ITV's shabby transmission and I'll let you into a secret. For a change the pictures are not great, not bad but not great. There's never an occasion that I wish I had my old Pana 32" CRT back but watching ITV sport is one of them.

I hate to imagine what it would look like on a less capable set, actually I can answer that. On a previous 40" Sony LCD multi award winner it was a pile of................., somewhat ironic that Sony sponsor F1, the most demanding test for a set next to football. They failed the test badly in my eyes.

Anyhow sorry to rant, good luck with finding a suitable set. Make sure you actually get to see some demos of SD pictures, don't be fobbed off with the HD test discs.
 
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Have you thought of getting a slightly larger screen, 37" (not sure how close you sit)

The Panasonic 37PX80 has a very good SD picture.
 

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The irony of those Sony adverts - all of which push HD - on possibly the worst-quality mainstream SD channel, was not lost on me (but go Lewis!!!)

But back to the OP. If the performance of the 40in model is anything to go by, Sony's new W4000 range is definitely a cut above existing LCDs. We've got a full test of the Sony KDL40W4000 in our new issue, out this Thursday.
 
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Clare, have just read the write up on the Sony KDL-40W4000 and it looks pretty impressive. Was all set to get the Pana 37PX80B, but the review has got me waivering.

The Full HD is appealing, but realise it's not the be all and end all in the Pana's case. I've got Sky HD and will be hooking up to other Sony kit (PS3, DAV-IS10), so wondered how useful the Bravia Sync would be?

But i guess my biggest question is how does the Sony handle motion? As a footie (in fact, any sports) fan, will the LCD Sony be as smooth? A quick look on the Sony website, and the W4000 doesn't appear to have the Motionflow +100Hz that other Sony models do. How did the screen test with sports?

I've seen the Sony online for around the £1,000 mark, whilst the Pana can be got for £600. Happy to pay the extra for the Sony if worth it.

Please help a confused soul!

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Just come back from John Lewis. Salesman did not rate the new Sony and was keen to point me in the direction of the 32 inch Panasonic lzd85. Must admit that the 100hz on the Pana gave a smoother picture then the Sony whilst both showing the Grand Prix. What was interesting however was his demo of the LCD 37 inch Panasonic and the Panasonic 37 inch Plasma, both latest models. Side by side the LCD was more detailed and brighter. I would have bought the LCD if it was,nt for the fact that everyone rates the Plasma much more. Descisions, Descisions ............ Anyone else compared the two ? and what thoughts on the 32inch Panasonic
 
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I am also trying to choose between these two. Which John Lewis store was it? I phoned Sheffield and Manchester and they didn't have them on show. Like different aspects of both of them. Do you know if Panasonic had a swivel stand like the Sony? Reviews seem to slightly prefer Panasonic. I am a big Sony fan in the past and need a push to change. Would welcome any thoughts or advice. Has to be 32 inch as nothing else will fit in room. Mainly watching SD but want it futureproof as I expect HD will become much more available and cheaper etc in a year or two.
 
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Just come back from John Lewis. Salesman did not rate the new Sony and was keen to point me in the direction of the 32 inch Panasonic lzd85. Must admit that the 100hz on the Pana gave a smoother picture then the Sony whilst both showing the Grand Prix. What was interesting however was his demo of the LCD 37 inch Panasonic and the Panasonic 37 inch Plasma, both latest models. Side by side the LCD was more detailed and brighter. I would have bought the LCD if it was,nt for the fact that everyone rates the Plasma much more. Descisions, Descisions ............ Anyone else compared the two ? and what thoughts on the 32inch Panasonic
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Re your side by side Pana comparison. I would expect the results you said, LCD's do tend to be more detailed and brighter on first look but Plasma's grow on you and reward extended viewing.
 

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The Panasonic TH37PX80B and Sony KDL40W4000 are both briliant sets that deserve to find a home in many households.

We deliberated over many, many days - with several side-by-side comparisons, using a wide range of sources and content - and even then it wasn't a unanimous verdict.

Here's how I'd summarise the two;

Panasonic - Pros; astonishingly great value; slightly superior motion-handling and blacks than the Sony; exceptional Freeview tuner. Cons: Lacks both dynamism and detail compared to the Sony; only sounds average.

Sony - Pros: Awesome detail recovery; natural colours; picture has incredible punch/impact; really easy to set-up; better blacks and motion-handling than even the best LCDs to date, with incredibly stable picture; decent sonics. Cons: pricey (until - and maybe even after - discounts kick in); can't quite match black levels or slickness of the best plasmas.

Oh, and those three extra inches of screen really help...

Talking of which... What we're looking forward to now is pitching the 40in Sony up against the best of the Full HD 42in plasmas. Panasonic TH42PZ85/800 vs the Sony KDL40W4000 - now that's gonna be interesting!
 
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The Panasonic does not have a swivel stand, but it is easy to turn around on its shiney black plastic foot. My local store is in Bristol. I would agree that the Panasonic offered the better picture in store. Not to sure if a like the blue glitter effect in the frame of the Sony.
 
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Hi Clare

I (like many it would seem) am torn between the Sony KDL32W4000 and the Panasonic TX-32LZD85.

The lack of 100hz and motionflow on the Sony worried me initially but from early reports it doesn't seem to effect the picture quality with fast moving images being displayed very well - are these features gimmicks?

Do you have a test planned for the Sony KDL32W4000?

Do you think the sound quality of these two TV's is comparable (eg. not the best in the world)?

I really want to buy in the next couple of weeks and rely on What Hi-Fi? for the best advice!

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Has anybody got any views on the Sony 32W4000. I am in the market for a new 32incher to replace my 32 inch sony crt. Most of my viewing is good old SD, so I need a TV with the best SD picture.

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I've just been looking at this TV and its 40" sibling in my local M&S, where they were showing the BBC HD preview channel.

It has two huge glaring deficiencies, which seldom seem to be mentioned in the magazines, including WHF :-

1. Very poor motion handling. Watch any panning shot, and the juddering and stuttering is very obvious; it's just as though you can see each individual frame. Most disconcerting. Interestingly, the D-series sets they had alongside, which have 100Hz scanning, don't show this trait.

2. Very poor viewing angle. View from more than about 40 degrees off-axis, and the picture becomes dim, and the colours wash out. No good unless you are going to be the only person watching your TV at any one time.

Get the Panasonic - it has neither of these problems !
 
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Just be aware that the Panasonic lcd's have had issues with quite severe backlight bleed.
 

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[quote user="cs"][quote user="FloJoe"]
Has anybody got any views on the Sony 32W4000. I am in the market for a new 32incher to replace my 32 inch sony crt. Most of my viewing is good old SD, so I need a TV with the best SD picture.

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I've just been looking at this TV and its 40" sibling in my local M&S, where they were showing the BBC HD preview channel.

It has two huge glaring deficiencies, which seldom seem to be mentioned in the magazines, including WHF :-

1. Very poor motion handling. Watch any panning shot, and the juddering and stuttering is very obvious; it's just as though you can see each individual frame. Most disconcerting. Interestingly, the D-series sets they had alongside, which have 100Hz scanning, don't show this trait.

2. Very poor viewing angle. View from more than about 40 degrees off-axis, and the picture becomes dim, and the colours wash out. No good unless you are going to be the only person watching your TV at any one time.

Get the Panasonic - it has neither of these problems !

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We certainly didn't experience poor motion-handling with this Sony - quite the opposite, by standards of LCD, in fact. I suspect a poor in-store set-up, and all picture modes turned on at once....

...which is also why the off-axis viewing was so poor, too: turn the backlight down to 50 percent, as our review mentions, and it's far less of an issue. (Though, as with all LCDs, still something of one...)
 

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[quote user="r1ch"]Hi Clare

I (like many it would seem) am torn between the Sony KDL32W4000 and the Panasonic TX-32LZD85.

The lack of 100hz and motionflow on the Sony worried me initially but from early reports it doesn't seem to effect the picture quality with fast moving images being displayed very well - are these features gimmicks?

Do you have a test planned for the Sony KDL32W4000?

Do you think the sound quality of these two TV's is comparable (eg. not the best in the world)?

I really want to buy in the next couple of weeks and rely on What Hi-Fi? for the best advice!

Thanks[/quote]

We're currently conducting a Supertest of 32in sets, which will be in our issue on sale in under 4 weeks (26th June) - it will include both the Panasonic TX-32LZD85 and the Sony KDL32W4000, as well as six other brand-new sets.

The reviews should start to appear online even sooner (from mid-June), to coincide with the relaunch of this website, complete with 1000+ reviews.
 
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We certainly didn't experience poor motion-handling with this Sony - quite the opposite, by standards of LCD, in fact. I suspect a poor in-store set-up, and all picture modes turned on at once....

...which is also why the off-axis viewing was so poor, too: turn the backlight down to 50 percent, as our review mentions, and it's far less of an issue. (Though, as with all LCDs, still something of one...)

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No. it wasn't just a one-off.

I've seen the poor viewing angle on ALL Sony TVs.

And the stuttering / juddering on panning shots I have also seen for all of the W series Sonys in M&S, John Lewis, Comet, Currys, etc. It's a very very obvious effect, which doesn't occur on the 100Hz sets such as the D series.
 

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[quote user="cs"][quote user="Clare Newsome"]
We certainly didn't experience poor motion-handling with this Sony - quite the opposite, by standards of LCD, in fact. I suspect a poor in-store set-up, and all picture modes turned on at once....

...which is also why the off-axis viewing was so poor, too: turn the backlight down to 50 percent, as our review mentions, and it's far less of an issue. (Though, as with all LCDs, still something of one...)

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No. it wasn't just a one-off.

I've seen the poor viewing angle on ALL Sony TVs.

And the stuttering / juddering on panning shots I have also seen for all of the W series Sonys in M&S, John Lewis, Comet, Currys, etc. It's a very very obvious effect, which doesn't occur on the 100Hz sets such as the D series.

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I still bet that every one of those sets, in all those shops, has every motion-unfriendly picture mode jammed on.
 
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I still bet that every one of those sets, in all those shops, has every motion-unfriendly picture mode jammed on.

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Don't think so. If they did, it would affect the 100Hz sets too.

In any case, I've seen the same symptoms in the Sony Centre. It's very much akin to the flicker you used to get with 50Hz CRTs. Once you see a 100Hz set beside it, the effect is very obvious, and you can't stop noticing it.

The same applies to 50Hz LCDs. Watch a panning shot where the whole image is panned left to right over say 2 seconds or less. Any vertical edges in the image appear as a series of multiple images. The bigger screens (>32") display the effect most, and even some 50Hz plasmas exhibit it slightly.
 

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In any case, I've seen the same symptoms in the Sony Centre.

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I've yet to see a properly set up Bravia in a Sony Centre, either - the last one I saw looked so dreadful i'm amazed if they sold any.

I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree re 50hz/100hz - and BTW, all our test sets are reviewed, fully optimised, side-by-side.
 
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In any case, I've seen the same symptoms in the Sony Centre.

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I've yet to see a properly set up Bravia in a Sony Centre, either - the last one I saw looked so dreadful i'm amazed if they sold any.

I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree re 50hz/100hz - and BTW, all our test sets are reviewed, fully optimised, side-by-side.

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cs I really don't think you can make such a statement simply from viewing a set in a shop and then claim it is a more valid opinion than a FULL review conducted by Clare and the team with an optimised set!! You just sound like you have an issue with sony.
 
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[quote user="oeurf"] cs I really don't think you can make such a statement simply from viewing a set in a shop and then claim it is a more valid opinion than a FULL review conducted by Clare and the team with an optimised set!! You just sound like you have an issue with sony.[/quote]

On the contrary, any 50Hz LCD will exhibit the same poor stuttering performance on panning shots. It's a very obvious effect, quite independent of how good or bad the TV is set up. Admittedly, it is worse on TVs of 40" screen size or above, because the image has moved further during the 20ms frame.

Regarding viewing angle, Sony and Samsung use the same type of panel technology (S-PVA), and these are limited to ~90 degrees viewing angle because of it. Picture processing modes have no effect on this - it is purely a physical property of the panel type. On the other hand, Panasonic and I believe Hitachi (?) use IPS alpha panels, which inherently give wider viewing angles, typically ~130 degrees.

I have no particular issue with Sony. Indeed, I still own a Sony Wega 32" CRT, which gives fabulous pictures !
 
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I have a further query about the W4000 range which doesn't seem to get asked.

To me, the only reason why I would want 100hz processing is to smooth the motion in video games. How is the W4000 vs say a PX80 in terms of gaming? All other iterations of 100hz I can live without, since I think they add a very disgusting cheap dv quality to programs. Am I even right in assuming the 100hz motionflow is good for games?

I, like many people are torn between the 37PX80 and the 40W4000. The only problem is the lack of motionflow. If I can be convinced it really doesnt help the gaming experience, I will buy.

EDIT: I am also wondering why the What HI-FI round-up makes absolutely no mention of the lack of 100hz. Especially since this is the feature that is most obvious in visual terms and therefore considerably more important than 8bit vs 10bit, and arguably even more influential than having FullHD.
 
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Just thought I'd bump this to the top again as I'm interested to know what the experts thinks as well. I'm planning on using my new TV for 70% gaming and 30% movies.
 

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