Pioneer PDP-LX5090 into Tacima 6 Way Mains Conditioner - Problem.

[lastcoyote]

I've Just got myself a couple of the Tacima mains conditioners to plug all my Hifi and AV stuff into and came across something unexpected...

Firstly I have plugged my Musical Fidelity Amps and CD player into the Tacima and have been, as have others, most impressed by the results. All seems to sound better...instruments and voice sound better seperated etc.
Anyway the hifi gear is going into to one of the Tacima's which goes into it's own mains socket in the wall.
The other tacima is connected to another mains wall socket and has my Blu-Ray player, Yamaha AV amp, SKY HD box...and my Pioneer 5090 plasma. (well it's not now as you'll see below..)

All 'works' ok..BUT...when I want to listen to a source into my Yamaha AV amp, SKY, Blu-Ray etc.. I set my Musical Fidelity amp source to the Aux input that is connected to the Yamaha amp and set the volume control to 12 o'clock...all pretty standard stuff...the Musical Fidelity powers the front L/R speakers...the Yamaha does the other speakers.

The problem that has only happened since the Tacima's is that when I turn the Plasma on I get some fuzzy 'noise' from my front speakers. More than just the normal hiss that you hear when your ears up close to them (due to the volume being up to 12 o'clock point). A slight buzzing noise is there too. At this point i've not got the SKY box turned on or anything actually sending audio..otherwise i'd probably not hear it...but I don't like the fact that it's there. Definitely not right. If I turn the plasma off onto standby It goes away, and if I unplug the plasma from the Tacima and run it from its own wall socket I don't get the noise when it's on either...which is how it's always been.

Strange huh! I wonder why the Plasma is introducing noise into the system if plugged into one of the Tacima's with everything else? Maybe it's overloading the Tacima. If I had a third one I'd of tried the plasma in it on it's own and seen if it still causes the noise through the speakers.

The plasma's power cable by the way is a 2m Clearer Audio Copper-line Alpha.

Anyone?

 

[Anonymous]

Hi, it appears by what you write that the Tacima is overloaded by your TV.

I would plug this in seperatly into a 13A socket, picture quality should be good on a Clearer Audio cable.

Also bare in mind the 1,2,3, etc order on the Tacima, I found it produced better results putting the high current items 1st in line.

Remember the ampage is limited to the plug fuse rating fitted to the Tacima and this will be supplied on a 1st come basis on the units power line.

 

[Anonymous]

trevor79:Also bare in mind the 1,2,3, etc order on the Tacima, I found it produced better results putting the high current items 1st in line. Remember the ampage is limited to the plug fuse rating fitted to the Tacima and this will be supplied on a 1st come basis on the units power line.

You shot who in the what now?!

I've got one of the Tacimas with everything plugged through it. I thought that was job done? You're saying that it matters which socket each piece of kit is plugged into?!

 

[Anonymous]

Yes, in your case......

Sony STR-DG820 A/V Receiver; LG 50PS8000 Plasma; Sky+ HD; Panasonic DMP-BD60 Blu-Ray; Netgear EVA8000 Wireless Digital Media Player.

If your BD60 starts playing up it's showing the current draw on the rest of your system is overloading the 13A feed!

How many things do you think you can plug into a 13A socket for them to work optimatly? That's one of the reasons why addressing Mains supply issues brings such big benefits to music systems.

 

[Anonymous]

That's the order in which I should plug them in? Starting from which end? The end with the copper coil?

"How many things do you think you can plug into a 13A socket for them to work optimatly?"

Are you saying that I shouldn't be using a 6-way ganger like the Tacima?

 

[lastcoyote]

i'm presuming the 1st socket is the one nearest the mains lead...or as you say near the copper coil.
that's how i've plugged them in anyway.

so are we saying that the lx5090 can't be used with one of these tacima's? even if nothing else is plugged in to the other 5 sockets?

 

[Anonymous]

Yes, sorry. I probably hijacked this thread. Not knowing how on earth these work, I wanted to ensure I was using mine in the most optimal way.

 

[Anonymous]

lastcoyote:
i'm presuming the 1st socket is the one nearest the mains lead...or as you say near the copper coil.
that's how i've plugged them in anyway.

so are we saying that the lx5090 can't be used with one of these tacima's? even if nothing else is plugged in to the other 5 sockets?

What I am suggesting is if you plug your TV into a socket it might produce as good as picture with you using a 2mtr quality cable as plugging it into a Tacima.

It's worth trying and comparing.

 

[Anonymous]

Mez:
That's the order in which I should plug them in? Starting from which end? The end with the copper coil?

"How many things do you think you can plug into a 13A socket for them to work optimatly?"

Are you saying that I shouldn't be using a 6-way ganger like the Tacima?

It is all about the current loading, 6 low current items will be fine.

It is always a good plan to allow twice as much headroom on the current draw to allow the supply to follow the current demands placed on it, particulary on Power Amplifiers and Pre Amps. Music can be a little 'lead footed' otherwise. AV amps suffer in particular due to the extra work they are subjected to.

 

[Anonymous]

trevor79:Mez:

That's the order in which I should plug them in? Starting from which end? The end with the copper coil?

"How many things do you think you can plug into a 13A socket for them to work optimatly?"

Are you saying that I shouldn't be using a 6-way ganger like the Tacima?

It is all about the current loading, 6 low current items will be fine. ???a? p??ta ??a ?a?? s??d?? ??a ?a ep?t???e? ?t? d?? f???? t?s? e?e??e?? ???? st? ?e?æa s??e? ??a ?a ep?t???e? st?? a?ef?d?asæ? ??a ?a a???????se? t?? t?????se? apa?t?se?? p?? t?p??et???ta? se t?, particulary st??? e??s??t?? d??aæ?? ?a? ta p?? aæp??. Music can be a little 'lead footed' otherwise. AV amps suffer in particular due to the extra work they are subjected to.

I think I understood the first bit and the last bit, but the middle bit was Greek sorry! So it doesn't matter which order I plug my kit into the conditioner and, in fact, there's no benefit to plugging the TV into it at all?

 

[clearer_audio]

lastcoyote:I've Just got myself a couple of the Tacima mains conditioners to plug all my Hifi and AV stuff into and came across something unexpected...
The problem that has only happened since the Tacima's is that when I turn the Plasma on I get some fuzzy 'noise' from my front speakers.

Hello lastcoyote

This sounds like a ground loop problem. Since you are using two mains blocks from two different sockets your components will not have the same earth reference. The potential of the ground may be slightly different for each component (i.e., plasma and musical fidelity) thus a ground loop occurs causing the hum. If possible try plugging both mains blocks into one double wall socket. If this is not possible, then try temporarily plugging both into a two-way adaptor from one socket just to see if this solves the problem. If it does solve the problem then having a double socket installed be a solution (do not run both mains blocks from a two-way adaptor continuously as it is not good practice). You could also try plugging the plasma and musical fidelity into the same mains block.

I hope that this helps.

Kind regards,

Darren

 

[clearer_audio]

Mez:
trevor79:Also bare in mind the 1,2,3, etc order on the Tacima, I found it produced better results putting the high current items 1st in line. Remember the ampage is limited to the plug fuse rating fitted to the Tacima and this will be supplied on a 1st come basis on the units power line.

You shot who in the what now?!

I've got one of the Tacimas with everything plugged through it. I thought that was job done? You're saying that it matters which socket each piece of kit is plugged into?!

Hello

The sockets in the Tacima CS929 are linked so impedance increases along the chain. So from right to left (i.e., filter and mains lead on the right) socket 1 will have the lowest impedance and socket 6 will have the highest. As trevor has pointed out, putting components in order of power consumption (working from right to left - highest to lowest) should give slightly better performance.

Best regards,

Darren