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Still waiting for my 37PFL9604. Have been thanked for my patience and told that Philips have failed to deliver on stock promises. Just wondered if it is notoriously difficult to get hold of Philips TVs in the UK. I'm considering spending my £1000 on some other quality 37" (max) TV instead. Or should I just keep the faith? Getting fed up cos I've got blu rays I'm waiting to watch. Thanks in advance for any feedback
 
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I would strongly advise you to cancell this order for good. The reason for delay is the shortage of IPS panels which are coming from LG. Philips ended their collaboration with LG for good and will no longer use those panels for future mid and high-end sets. 9604 falls into this range. So in case of future problems you may experience even bigger hick-ups. As a substitite you can get TH-37LG20 from Panasonic. They have almost same specs, though Panny panel is way better (it is deep black IPS alpha ), sharpness wise they are equal.
 
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if the philips is a nonrunner , id be going with a 40in tv , so much more choice ..
 
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Can someone explain to me what's going on again with the philips tv's? Low stock's, changing panel's it's all getting a bit confusing?

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Philips got themselves tangled with LG, then probably discovered what other sensible people new all along about certain limitations of korean technology with regards to quality production, and decided to switch to japanese panels produced by Sharp. Though they are making pretty big gamble considering certain backlight issues with Sony screens, not to mention certain Toyota company. So when you broke with one company and second is still not at the full speed you got what Philips got. Low stocks, lousy quality existing screens and hanging questions about repairs of what have been already sold.
 
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hazarin:

Philips got themselves tangled with LG, then probably discovered what other sensible people new all along about certain limitations of korean technology with regards to quality production, and decided to switch to japanese panels produced by Sharp. Though they are making pretty big gamble considering certain backlight issues with Sony screens, not to mention certain Toyota company. So when you broke with one company and second is still not at the full speed you got what Philips got. Low stocks, lousy quality existing screens and hanging questions about repairs of what have been already sold.

Hi, Hazarin thanks for that. so all of the current philips tvs coming out are sharp panels like the philips 40pfl9704, and they old ones were lg like the philips 42pfl9703d.

And now they can produce enough of the new stock - sounds a bit of a mess especially given they are all full priced and no bargains anywhere to be seen.

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Actually the issue is a bit more complicated. As far as I read on american forum from the guy working for Philips, meanwhile between LG and Sharp UV2A period Philips may have panels from somebody else. So until they switch completely to Sharp , which might happen in 3-4 months (give it 6 to be 100% sure) I would officially declare the freeze on their product buys.

And you are correct when you see 42 and 47 then it is either old LG or new-nobody-knows-from panels, while 40 and 46 will eventually come from Sharp. A bit of a mess, especially for customers. And actually I think eventually you will see bargains for current 42 and 47 models, just have to be a bit patient. The question is when this bargain will broke and no spare parts available what will you do next?
 
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Hi, thanks for that, so what panel from what manufacturer is in the philips 40pfl9704 the new one?

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THats a bit of a mystery to me. They very well could be some of the panels used by Sony. If TVs were produced when Sharp panels did not hit the market, then what we know for sure that these are not Sharp panels. You have to look for contrast ratios. 9705 with Sharp UV2A panels is listed as 10,000,000. While current 9704 has a listed value of 5,000,000 whatever that number means. But in any case I would wait for the first review of UV2A containing panel TV before spending something. Sharp is coming out with quite new designs which could compete with Philips as well.

P.S Thats very nice of you, Clare , to get official statement from Philips. I am personally quite interested to read their official tale for the customers. And I personally dont see much harm in using " conjectures" which is defined as unproven proposition appearing to be correct, and which has not been disproven. Probably you wanted to say something different, right?
 

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It's a problem when you are stating as fact something you have read somewhere on the internet, and thus causing further confusion. Oh, and let's hold off on the racist generalisations too, shall we, Hazarin?

Unless of course you've visited the factories in question, as I have, in which case you'll know that what you're spouting about the limitations of Korean quality control is just nonsense...

Oh and re your American guy on a forum working for Philips, as you'll no doubt be aware, Philips no longer makes TVs for the US market. The name is licensed to a totally different company, which sells its own TVs as Philips models there.
 

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1. Most TV manufacturers source panels from multiple suppliers. For example,for the 2010 range the panels in Sony sets come from several suppliers including SLCD, Sharp and a further Korean manufacturer (the biggest panel manufacturers of all are based in Korea FYI).

2. Manufacturers are legally required to maintain parts availability for 6 years. If you are unable to effect a repair during this time due to parts availability then you have a case for a replacement product.

3. Making assumptions about product quality control based on place of manufacture is (or should be) a thing of the past. There are factories all over the world who work to the highest standards. Look, for example, at the Chinese factory that manufactures IAG products (Wharfedale, Audiolab, Quad, Castle, Mission) or the factories in Prague and India that manufacture Skoda cars under Volkswagen's close watch.

4. There are many possible reasons why Philips and LG may have ceased their partnership. Partnerships such as this change all the time for all sorts of reasons.
 
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well i have just got a 40pfl9704. there was low stock but they have just release another 180 of this model.
 
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Cool... how are you getting on with your 40pfl9704? Is it as good as everyone is saying? I have money burning a hole in my pocket
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OK, here is the official feedback direct from Philips:

There are number of issues raised in this thread which Philips
would like to correct:


First: Up until Xmas consumer demand for the 9000 series was
primarily focused on the 32PFL9604, 42PFL9664 and 40PFL9704 - not
surprising as these were the sets that had received the most reviews and the
highest accolades.


Just before Xmas and into January demand unexpectedly picked up
for the 37PFL9604, partly because many of the magazines had decided to revisit
the segment and had reviewed the set very favourably. The 37PLF9604 has also
been very popular in the rest of Europe, so the unfortunate overall result was
stock shortages.


We are receiving new stock this month but going forward stock
will be limited as the product will go end-of-life at the end of
April; to prepare for new 9000 products arriving in May.


In the meantime the main focus will be on the 32PLF9604,
42PFL9664 and 40PFL9704 which remain the most popular sets in the 9000
series.


Also, as with other manufacturers, for commercial reasons
Philips does not reveal the identity of suppliers. However Philips can confirm
that with regards to LCD panels, the company does have a number of suppliers
and will continue to do so. Changes in size and specification within series
will naturally happen over time as new ranges are introduced - partly due
to changes in consumer demand - but it is incorrect to suggest that this
indicates any one supplier is preferred to another or to speculate that one
will be replacing another."
 
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Interesting stuff, so can i take by this they are getting their panels anywhere and everywhere?

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No, just that the company has a number of suppliers - ie more than one source. As is the case with almost every manufacturer not having either its own panel-making plants, or sufficient capacity in the plants it has.
 
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So if you have two philips 40pfl9704 one has a LG panel in it and one has a Sharp in it, would they look the same?

Would they both be identical in their outlook?

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what a great post!

I was set on this TV - it can be found (all be it reconditiond) on www.cheapoestelectrical.com it comes with a 5 year warrenty and at a very good price.

I had decided against this as due to Philips being so expensice (yet excellet pic quality) I though it worth waiting untill the 2010 sets as spec wise they look reallt really interestg (plus 3d ready should that float your goat)

I was glad to see Philips' official response contained the news that the 2010 9000 series will be beginning in May,

*jumping for joy, well that is until I see the prices!

Anyway thats my 2 cents!
 

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gel:So if you have two philips 40pfl9704 one has a LG panel in it and one has a Sharp in it, would they look the same?

Would they both be identical in their outlook?

Thanks

Assuming Philips' QC is up to snuff, then in that hypothetical situation I would expect that to be the case.

But it's more likely that the company would source panels of different sizes from different suppliers, although of course that may be influenced by how good the company's sales and production planning is, and whether the supplier for a particular size can cope with any sudden changes in demand.

Most manufacturers don't keep production lines running all the time for a particular model; they tend to make in batches according to initial orders from their various sales companies around the world, and planned sales, which is why there can sometimes be some lag between a sudden spike in demand, perhaps as the result of one or more favourable reviews. It takes some time to 'fill up the pipe' again should stocks get depleted.
 
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Thank's for that, it looks like know i am going to have to wait a very long time before i get a premium philips tv discounted to an acceptable price again.
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