Oppo BDP105 first impressions review.

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Well until Megatombomb returns,try mine:

David sold me an Oppo 105. I've taken out the dead DVD32r and the AV32r, updated the Oppo firmware and am using the Oppo direct linked into my 100*5r as a processor. The story so far:

Very impressed with blu-ray visuals, but no surprise there as the HTPC was doing OK.

Linked up my Sky box direct to TV and optical to the Oppo. USB DAC connected, HTPC also linked via HDMI. Folio on a spdif coax.

Thoroughly impressed with the sound. Cds at least as good as the Tag unit, tried "Grrr" on a stereo bluray (nice, but I'm not going to replace all my cds for the difference), flac rips, Tubular Bells monster flac all very good, I was very surprised by "***** Chateau" as a surround SACD. Thought it would be a joke, but really got immersed in the music. May well try a few more.

Bourne Legacy made me duck. May have to turn the rears down a bit.

Can't hear any difference between the USB DAC and the HDMI connection (ears are getting on a bit now)

Very impressed on the SQ and video, but!!!!

Quite a few control issues - particularly with the lip sync side of it,. Being a persistent git for experimenting, it would appear that fast forward/pausing/b*******g about with Sky replay can create or solve lip sync issues. Sometimes the Sky picture freezes for no apparent reason. I think that there is something in the communications that causes gremlins. You can always use the Sky box adjustment to solve it, or sometimes just reboot! I'm wondering if my different makes of HDMI can cause trouble.

It's driving the wife mad - so 5 stars for the Oppo!!!!

Well worth a punt chaps.
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Well until Megatombomb returns,try mine:

David sold me an Oppo 105. I've taken out the dead DVD32r and the AV32r, updated the Oppo firmware and am using the Oppo direct linked into my 100*5r as a processor. The story so far:

Very impressed with blu-ray visuals, but no surprise there as the HTPC was doing OK.

Linked up my Sky box direct to TV and optical to the Oppo. USB DAC connected, HTPC also linked via HDMI. Folio on a spdif coax.

Thoroughly impressed with the sound. Cds at least as good as the Tag unit, tried "Grrr" on a stereo bluray (nice, but I'm not going to replace all my cds for the difference), flac rips, Tubular Bells monster flac all very good, I was very surprised by "***** Chateau" as a surround SACD. Thought it would be a joke, but really got immersed in the music. May well try a few more.

Bourne Legacy made me duck. May have to turn the rears down a bit.

Can't hear any difference between the USB DAC and the HDMI connection (ears are getting on a bit now)

Very impressed on the SQ and video, but!!!!

Quite a few control issues - particularly with the lip sync side of it,. Being a persistent git for experimenting, it would appear that fast forward/pausing/b*******g about with Sky replay can create or solve lip sync issues. Sometimes the Sky picture freezes for no apparent reason. I think that there is something in the communications that causes gremlins. You can always use the Sky box adjustment to solve it, or sometimes just reboot! I'm wondering if my different makes of HDMI can cause trouble.

It's driving the wife mad - so 5 stars for the Oppo!!!!

Well worth a punt chaps.
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It seems the site/forum was having problems earlier and my review didnt appear :wall: Apologies for that.

So yes i would like to share my impressions of playing with my new Oppo 105 all day whilst doing some listening tests against the unit it replaces which is a Denon DBP2012ud of only 12months old. This review will focus solely on the 2 channel audio quality while listening through HDMI from both players. I admit to have tried neither through analog outs as yet only HDMI - though i'd like to do this as i expect the difference from using the Sabre DAC in the 105 output via XLR into a proper integrated amp to sound better - surely the main point of buying a 105 over 103. The two players are connected to a Pioneer SC-LX85 av processor/amp and the speakers are Monitor Audio RX6 floorstanders. HDMI calbes are identical and both good quality. Expectations having read such rave reviews online and on forums are high.....

Started by listening to a favorite album of mine Pawn Hearts by Van Der Graaf Generator on CD. Immediately noticed the treble to be more prominent than the Denon but surprisingly not in a good way. Sure its quite a harsh recording (for those who have heard it) and the Oppo does nothing to hide the fact and perhaps over emphasises it. I also thought the timing of the record to be slight out and then it came to me the main critisism of the Oppo 103 in what -hi-fi review where they seemed to mention it didint time well with music. I simply dont remember not enjoying the three amazing tracks on this VDGG album ever before??

Promptly i moved onto another favourite CD... Nursery Cryme by Genesis. There are a number of tracks with some rhythmic but complex drumming which i figured would be a great test of both units 'timing'. Again the Oppo sounds brighter though acceptable on this recording but almost harsh again. More worryingly where the Denon has me tapping my feet and playing imaginary drum kit i just found the Oppo lost all the subtleties in the rhythms and stopped me tapping away and i was suddenly finding it hard to listen too for more than a few minutes! I have gone back and forth between each player for hours and i am so far very disappointed by what ive heard.

I now have a predicament of whether to return the unit as i bought online or try the analog outs but i must admit the disappointment so far has made me wonder whether to bother keeping it any longer. For the same money i can have a dedicated SACD player (one with warm rich sound like MArantz Pearl lite) and seperate Blu ray player. I think i have discovered that when you pair notoriously bright/forward sounding components together it doesnt help as the Pioneer amp and Monitor Audio speakers are guilty of some brightness though no other source has pushed them into harshness as the Oppo has before.

I have learned a lesson today also which is preached on these forums daily which is to always try and make sure to demo such expensive equipment :doh:
 
Check this:

"SABRE32 Reference Audio DAC - The DAC is one of the most important components for digital audio playback. The SABRE32 Reference ES9018 from ESS Technology is the world’s best performing 32-bit audio DAC solution targeted for high-end consumer applications and professional studio equipment. With the ESS patented 32-bit Hyperstream™ DAC architecture and Time Domain Jitter Eliminator, the SABRE32 Reference DAC delivers an unprecedented DNR (Dynamic Range) of up to 135dB and THD+N (Total Harmonic Distortion plus Noise) of -120dB, the industry’s highest performance level that will satisfy even the most demanding audio enthusiast. The BDP-105 uses two ES9018 DAC chips - one for the 7.1-channel output, and another for the dedicated stereo output. To learn more about the technologies behind the exceptional performance of the SABRE DAC, please read the SABRE Technical White Paper."
 

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The DAC in the Pioneer is meant to be very good for 2 channel but yes all ive read says these AV processors dont do music much favours.

Hope to have some analog cables tomorrow to try it with. I hope it makes a difference. I hope this makes it sound warmer and fuller but i still fear that the musicality wont be there as it is with the ol' Denon. It seems strange to criticise it perhaps so soon and also after every other review is so glowing!

I should mention on the plus side, it is beautifully built - to a standard far higher than the Denon (which itself isnt bad). The setup is quick and easy, plus the very intuitive menus make it a pleasure to use.

None of this matters if i dont enjoy the sound though.

Have you tried comparing the two outputs yourself Bigboss?
 
If you're using the DAC in the Pioneer, then you're not reaping the benefits of Oppo 105. It's no better than 103 if using HDMI. I haven't heard the 105 via HDMI personally. On comparing the Oppo 103 with 105, the latter sounded fuller and more revealing to me (connected via analogue).
 

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Since you have Pioneer SC-LX85 and you use digital transmission you might want to also try one of the Pioneer BD players, like for instance BDP-LX55 to take advantage of Pioneers PQLS solution which is aimed at giving jitterless transmission. (For uncompressed 2-channel or multi-channel LPCM and bitstream audio over HDMI )
 

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Hi Guys,

If we are talking 105 reviews and you've got nothing better to do you may want to have a flick through my OPPO page as I've been trying to document everything that I've tried on the 105EU so far, I really have put it through its paces, whether integrated into a high end 2 channel system, fed straight into poweramps, as a headphone amp, we even tried some films on it :) Obviously it passed with flying colours with everyting, it really is quite a special piece of AV kit.

http://hifilounge.tumblr.com/tagged/Oppo
 

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Just a question! Having paid all that money for a very high end, incredible machine.

Is a pioneer AV and monitor audio RX6,s, really doing it justice?:O
 

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Managed to try the Oppo's analog RCA outs with good quality Atlas Equator cables.

Definately with the amp in pure direct mode i am hearing the best yet out of the Oppo. Does it have a notably better sound than the Denon? Well having run them both via analog outs to get a fair comparison the Oppo does have a slightly cleaner sound. Tonally i do prefer it.

My biggest beef yesterday was finding the Oppo to be making a mess of the rhythm of music as referenced in What Hi-Fi review of the 103 but i found this playing both over HDMI. Even in analog I am still convinced that it is just not as good as the Denon in this respect which is a shame because it is slightly better in literally every other respect when both used via their analog outputs. Its such a shame and i would be suprised if everyone who heard these two units side by side didnt pick up on it either.

I find the lack of musicality and rhythmic drive so disappointing i am boxing it back up and returning it immediately. Havent even tried the Blu-ray side of things but again i expect both players to be itentical for picture and probably similar for audio.

In many respects the Oppo is a £1000 bargain on paper/spec/build but the performance has major flaws and i strongly recommend anyone to demo one before buying one especially if you love getting lost playing music.
 

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sogophonio11 said:
Just a question! Having paid all that money for a very high end, incredible machine.

Is a pioneer AV and monitor audio RX6,s, really doing it justice?:O

Yes. Given my budget. The Pioneer is a high end AV amp in itself is it not? The £1000 for the Oppo seemed like excellent value for money, cheap almost, considering the spec/features/quality. But sound has odd rhythm and drive sadly in my system at least
 
Try Marantz UD7007, currently available at a bargain price:

http://www.sevenoakssoundandvision.co.uk/p/marantz-ud70073d-blu-ray-player?gclid=CJ7vuY-wkLUCFSHHtAodLkwAtA&gclid=CJ7vuY-wkLUCFSHHtAodLkwAtA

Marantz is known for its musicality. Definitely demo first! :read:
 

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There is no point in trying to write a review off the 105,i have had nothing in its class to compare too,plus i now have better speakers.

However i absolutley love this player,it is a dream to set-up and opperate,to me the sound from blu-ray/ flac/cd and sacd is quality.I use analogue for everything....for cd/flac i use 2.1....for sacd(if multichanel)5.1,for blue-ray...5.1.

From what i have read,and been told it is the players dacs that make this player a real bargain,almost certainly referance in sound,picture quality seems sharper and colours more vivid compared to my previous panasonic bdp,and loading times are very quick!
 

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Maybe you should give it a few weeks to settle down and run in. I've had mine a few weeks now and after a bit of tweaking and adjusting it sounds a lot better now from when i first had it. To be honest the sound was a bit all over the place, but now it is brilliant and this was compared to the excellent Denon DVD3800BD.
 
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Quite a few control issues - particularly with the lip sync side of it,. Being a persistent git for experimenting, it would appear that fast forward/pausing/b*******g about with Sky replay can create or solve lip sync issues. Sometimes the Sky picture freezes for no apparent reason. I think that there is something in the communications that causes gremlins. You can always use the Sky box adjustment to solve it, or sometimes just reboot! I'm wondering if my different makes of HDMI can cause trouble.

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Try linking the Sky Box directly to the OPPO with hdmi,that may fix the sync issues, but then maybe it doesn't have enough inputs for the HTPC also?

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megatombomb said:
I find the lack of musicality and rhythmic drive so disappointing i am boxing it back up and returning it immediately. Havent even tried the Blu-ray side of things but again i expect both players to be itentical for picture and probably similar for audio.

Megatombomb, I would definately give your 105 more time, that is if you haven't taken it back yet, I have been using our 105 pretty much everyday for the last month and over analogue it has definately improved sonically, it has really smoothed out and opened up, its far more musical than when I first tried, to be honest its whole characteristics have changed more than I have heard from a new bit of kit for a long time.

For anyone who hasn't seen this here is the AVForums in depth review of the OPPO BDP-105EU that was posted today -

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Oppo-BDP-105EU-Universal-Blu-ray-3D-SACD-DVD-CD-Player-Review_448/Review.html

An interesting read and I couldn't agree more with the whole review :)
 

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Well folks i got curious and conducted another test this afternoon of the Oppo 105 that so far has disappointed me with its poor rhythmic drive but otherwise impressed me greatly. I wired it up via analogue to my Marantz MCR603 micro system feeding MA BX2 speakers, a combination i am well accustomed to.

I had wondered if the Pioneer AVR i had originally used it with was itself messing up the timing but sadly i can only confirm that i dislike what the BDP105 does to my music. Yes it sounds marginally more expansive than the Marantz, marginally cleaner in its sound but the improvement was so hard to spot to be honest it doesnt matter. The sole negative simply isnt worth living with for all of the positives. At the end of the day i am used to music moving me and i have been moved as much by cheap components as i have expensive hand made ones but definitvely the Oppo literally ruined everything i played on it. I can only describe it as if the producers/musicians have lost their sense of timing and rhythm and the 'groove' of a song is impossible to get into. This is something i have never EVER noticed on ANY CD playback from any other equipment ive heard or owned.

Never have i felt so disappointed by a piece of 'hi-fi' equipment. Or such a mug for not listening to one first.

I appreciate and respect alot of people love theirs and the reviews refer to it as 'reference', indeed it makes me wonder if mine is in someway faulty. I have not come on here to slag off the product i just felt after spending £1000 i As much as i'd like to give it more time i dont see how the fundamental problem i have with the player will improve.

I would only urge prospective buyers to take their existing universal BD/CD/SACD or simply CD players to see if they really think they are getting VFM on the sound quality.

I await my bashing from other users now lol :doh:
 

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megatombomb said:
Never have i felt so disappointed by a piece of 'hi-fi' equipment. Or such a mug for not listening to one first.

I appreciate and respect alot of people love theirs and the reviews refer to it as 'reference', indeed it makes me wonder if mine is in someway faulty. I have not come on here to slag off the product i just felt after spending £1000 i As much as i'd like to give it more time i dont see how the fundamental problem i have with the player will improve.

I would only urge prospective buyers to take their existing universal BD/CD/SACD or simply CD players to see if they really think they are getting VFM on the sound quality.

I await my bashing from other users now lol :doh:

I have not heard the Oppo, so my comments are general.

I have generally found that it takes hifi components to do 2 channel really well (for my taste). If you want a great streamer, look to Linn, Naim and Cyrus etc. As I see it, AV products have to be a compromise, given all they have to do.....spending the same on a dedicated 2 channel product should be better, if chosen carefully.

This is just my opinion and so is not to be taken as fact.
 

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No bashing, you're doing that to yourself.

Sounds like you really need to contact your supplier and discuss the possibility of it being a faulty unit. We all have different tastes but for you to be SO disappointed sounds like something amiss somewhere.
 

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Well, I'm not looking to bash anyone, or their views on a "one box solution" I haven't seen or heard in action. I do wonder, however, if the Oppo can be bettered in most regards by a much cheaper BDP, dedicated CDP, and DAC.

I went the cheap BDP and dedicated CDP route and I'm profoundly happy with this solution, which cost me quite a bit less than the Oppo 103, and siginifcantly less than the Oppo 105. The trade off, of course, is that I have to accomodate two separate boxes.
 

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megatombomb said:
Well folks i got curious and conducted another test this afternoon of the Oppo 105 that so far has disappointed me with its poor rhythmic drive but otherwise impressed me greatly. I wired it up via analogue to my Marantz MCR603 micro system feeding MA BX2 speakers, a combination i am well accustomed to.

No bashing but out of curiosity do you have the opportunity to return the Oppo for full refund? I am asking this based on my own experience. Sometimes, I get too carried away by the reviews and have such an expectation from the product that at times it does not live up to. When I compare its price to the rest of the gear, if the new equipment is too expensive, I am too keen to find the issues and return it ASAP and feel alright about not spending that kind of money.. I am not saying this is the case with you but this WAS the case with me few times in the far away past. Now a days, I do not buy anything that is out of proportion to my set up unless and until on purpose.

Coming back to the Oppo, I am not too sure if you had a faulty product or not, mine is singing very well. I had to really tell myself to hit bed last night and stop listening to the music as it was too late. It was that good!

This could be my set up which is all going very well together after a long time! CDs sound very good and my Mac Mini connected with HDMI sounds awesome. Never heard this good on my speakers. However, the streamer seems to be not doing the job right. I have NAS and my music is in .m4a and the NAS converts them into .wav When I heard the tracks they are shrill and off where as the same tracks played with Mac Mini (Amarra software activated) works like pure magic with very sweet sound. I might be hearing the more of the amp now. But the whole system is really singing very well.

For any body wanting to know if the Oppo BDP-105 is worth it or not, IT IS. Just for its DAC inputs and the great analog outs. Disc Player is a big bonus. I need to figure out how to get the streaming right.
 

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