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1st time I have ever been on a forum-hope it I get some decent responses! I will be frank, my hi-fi set up does my head in. After years hoping to get my hands onto a good system I still haven't got there......The long and short is that the sound is a tad shrill for my taste - I suffer from listener fatigue, i.e. I always want to turn it down after a certain point or alternately put something else on in the hope it sounds better, more listenable. At worst I lose my interest and don't put anything on. I have difficult playing Bruce Springsteen or REM or any rock number. On a jazz number the horns on a Miles Davis number, say from A KInd Of Blue, are too bright. On a Classical piece the brightness can be exposed further on the more complicated moments in a symphony for example.

On a positive note if I listen to say an acoustic based album, say Nebraska, at 10.30 am on the volume dial, the system, to an extent, sings.Anyway on the whole my system is a tad shrill as I said. Don't get me wrong in certain moments the sytem can sound good and there is an initial 'wow' factor if I turn it up at the beginning of any piece...but....! I have never had anyone who has come round and said 'your system sounds good'. Apart from my own personal enjoyment from my hifi this is always a kind of litmus test.

It is paramount to me how a system looks in my living room as I have to look at it every day of my life. So I have to admit I was influenced by the looks of the new MF range a few years back. I got the MF 3.5 CD player and matching amp. I plumped with the Quad 12L speakers. My interconnect is a good qed but the speaker cable is their basic one. The speakers are on good stands and the room is about 5m2. I am looking for a warm glowing sound that is airy to boot! How do I get that?

I keep on thinking that as the speakers cost half of their respective siblings that here lies the problem and that it isn't the MF but the speakers that I should change. I would consider ANY advice and I am open to changing my ENTIRE set up if necessary although in a stupid sentimental way I would prefer to maybe hang on to my CD player and amp. So, I would be grateful if any of you out there can enlighten me. But please don't go down that route of saying I would like Valve amps and all the rest of it.
 
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I'd be inclined to hang on to the MF gear and look at some speaker alternatives. Definately request a home demo though - you should find a good few dealers who can offer this service.
 

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Have you got any soft furnishings in your listening room?, harsh sound could be caused by reflections from wooden flooring and bare walls.
 
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I should have added that the room is rather bare and with marble/granite floors albeit with rugs. I am not going to get fixated with changing the room however as my life is complicated enough.
 

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bengoodall,

I am using MF pre and power amps and DAC. The X-series with a Marantz CD6000 CD player. Similar to you, I adore the unique style of MF and very reluctant to let go of them. Been using them since 1999. However, after moving nto a bigger house, I find that the music was not as sweet as before. So, a few weeks back, I came in this forum and most of them here suggested for me to change my speakers. I was using Mission bookshelf speakers M31 if I am not mistaken. At first, was looking for sub 1000 GBP speakers but just before purchasing the speakers, my CD player went kaput. So had to split the budget between a new CD player and speakers. So I bought Epos M12.2 speaker after comparing with a few and also Marantz CD6002. Now the music is sweet again with some added bass.

So, I think you should check out a few speakers to suit yr MF set up. ATC, Epos to name some.
 
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An other option is to try some smoother interconnects like Van Den Hul. . . this would certainly take the edge off.

I use a variety ofÿdifferentÿcables in my own system to get the most out of each component. . .

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bengoodall:I should have added that the room is rather bare and with marble/granite floors albeit with rugs. I am not going to get fixated with changing the room however as my life is complicated enough.

That could well be the problem. Room acoustics exert a massive influence on sound. Bare rooms can = harsh acoustics. Could you try setting your system up in another, well funished room just as an experiment. Irecently did this and was astounded by the difference.
 

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Just adding my two penneth re room acoustics. I have solid floors, bare walls and a big window with very few soft furnishings albeit for curtains and a rug. My room is 12ft by just over 17ft. I also have a large radiator and gas fire...I too found a massive difference in sound from my previous house lounge set up.

I cured it by chaging my Mission floorstanding speakers (which were just too darn fatiguing!) mounting my Atacama stands on patio slabs (on a carpet tile to avoid scratching the floor!..you can also slide the whole speaker/stand assembly around for optimum positioning) I also...and I take your comments re esoteric..cover the radiator and gas fire (OF COURSE WHEN THEY'RE NOT "ON" AND THE WIFE IS OUT!!!) with old blankets...This may seem extreme but for a serious listening session I found it "softens" the acoustics and tightens the base...To my ears anyhow.
 
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Thanks-I always intend to try changing at least my speaker cable, so I'll look at Van den hul.
 
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Looking at the lounge now I am pretty sure you are right. It isn't ideal to say the least. I have tried experimenting by putting the the stands directly on the rug-no real difference though. The walls are not in good nic' and there is a high ceiling to boot!
 
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thanks for your comments. I meant to say in my last comment that mocing my hifi to another room is a non starter, unfortunately.
 
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I notice you have a Linn Axis turntable. I live in Italy so I left mine when I came over and my vinyl of course. I always think it will be too costly to bring it all over. So it all gathers dust at my parents! I miss vinyly though, the sound more than anything. BTW I had a Meridian 206B b4 my MF 3.5. What a lovely Cd player it was - even the gorgeous smell that when the CD drawer was open. I can smell it now! I might say that the sound bettered my MF also?!
 

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The marble floor may well be contributing, so if I were you I would go for new speakers that didn't have any metal in the tweeters. Perhaps would be better to ask a hifi retailer and see what he suggests. It is obvious you want a decent system if you have MF.
 
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Cheers for your message. I like your setup. Arcam are a great company and there FMJ is top drawer. I agree with you about the marble floors. I have tried placing the stands on the thick-ish woollen rug we have in the lounge. Made zero difference mind. your dali 6 are a step up from my quads and i bet they sing more sweetly. The thing that gets me is the initial outlay of my set up, although relative, is expensive - £2650 - and for me the sound doesn't reward your wallet. My hifi retailer, I am in Italy, will not know which of his speakers doesn't have a metal tweeter. I am sure !
 

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I have to say my Dali 6 are possibly the best purchase I've made, ex demo at £650 and they are beautiful speakers in every way. Never ever get fatigue and I have Victorian floorboards in a relatively small room.
 

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