arty: Howdy Max,Hows the LG goin,has the picture improved much?mines is superb,definitely improves with time.
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arty: Howdy Max,Hows the LG goin,has the picture improved much?mines is superb,definitely improves with time.howdy, it's looking better than ever since i used some settings i got from an american site, let me know if you want to try them?
Picture menu:
Aspect ratio: Just Size
Energy Saving: Off
Picture Mode: Expert 2
Contrast: 79
Brightness: 53
H Sharpness: 50
V Sharpness: 50
Color: 52
Tint: 0
--Expert control menu
Dynamic contrast: Off
Noise reduction: Off
Gamma: Medium
Black level: Low
Film Mode: On
Color Gamut: Standard
xvYCC: Auto [grayed out]
Edge Enhancer: Off [grayed out]
Color Filter: Off
Color Temperature: Warm
Method: 2 Points [see below]
Pattern: Outer
Red Contrast: -18
Green Contrast: 0
Blue Contrast: -10
Red Brightness: -17
Green Brightness: -22
Blue Brightness: 25
Color management system [no adjustment]
there ya go....
Aspect ratio: Just Size
Energy Saving: Off
Picture Mode: Expert 2
Contrast: 79
Brightness: 53
H Sharpness: 50
V Sharpness: 50
Color: 52
Tint: 0
--Expert control menu
Dynamic contrast: Off
Noise reduction: Off
Gamma: Medium
Black level: Low
Film Mode: On
Color Gamut: Standard
xvYCC: Auto [grayed out]
Edge Enhancer: Off [grayed out]
Color Filter: Off
Color Temperature: Warm
Method: 2 Points [see below]
Pattern: Outer
Red Contrast: -18
Green Contrast: 0
Blue Contrast: -10
Red Brightness: -17
Green Brightness: -22
Blue Brightness: 25
Color management system [no adjustment]
there ya go....
AEJim
Well-known member
Hi Guys!
Oddly enough I've been spending a bit of time re-calibrating mine this week as I've finally had some time off work - Have the picture looking and measuring really spot on now, though this depends also on ambient light so I've got two settings, one for day and one for night.
I can't remember them off-hand and the Mrs is watching Comic Relief so I can't check now but I'll put them on here tomorrow for you to have a look at (I'll do the 2-point one as 20-point is far too specific for general use on any set really). Thing is the "correct" contrast seems really low at 65 or 66 compared to what people are generally used to but this comes out at the right output level and you soon adjust. The yellow cast to colours that that WHF mentioned in their review is easily corrected through the colour management system too (though it is definitely there on the default settings).
Cheers,
Jim.
Oddly enough I've been spending a bit of time re-calibrating mine this week as I've finally had some time off work - Have the picture looking and measuring really spot on now, though this depends also on ambient light so I've got two settings, one for day and one for night.
I can't remember them off-hand and the Mrs is watching Comic Relief so I can't check now but I'll put them on here tomorrow for you to have a look at (I'll do the 2-point one as 20-point is far too specific for general use on any set really). Thing is the "correct" contrast seems really low at 65 or 66 compared to what people are generally used to but this comes out at the right output level and you soon adjust. The yellow cast to colours that that WHF mentioned in their review is easily corrected through the colour management system too (though it is definitely there on the default settings).
Cheers,
Jim.
AEJim
Well-known member
Ooh, just found out something I'm going to look into that may change these settings a fair bit - had the PS3 set to "RGB Full" which is apparently the wrong thing to do, oddly "Limited" should look far better as "Full" introduces black crush. This may explain a few things I've been noticing when calibrating the brightness levels and switching back to normal TV etc...
AEJim
Well-known member
Ok, here goes - Did a fresh, quick n' dirty 2-point Calibration this morning. This gives you a very strong average of all elements - it could be improved in some areas for dark/light rooms etc but is basically sound all-round. You can get better shadow detail with higher brightness but you'll lose black level a touch and "Pop" to the picture. This is with a 2.2 gamma setting.
The picture will be darker than the settings you're used to but more "correct" - this gives 36ftl (overall brightness) where the max you'd normally want from plasma is about 40. In dark rooms the brighter picture would be more wearing on your eyes though would look initially impressive.
As with all settings changes, do them and walk away for a bit then come back fresh or the jump in difference from what you're used to can be offputting. Try them on Expert 1 or 2 but not the one you normally use of the two so you don't lose that. Do a picture reset on the one you want to use before putting the settings in.
Aspect Ratio: Just Scan (Some channels may get grey dots at the top on this, switch to "Original" if so)
Energy Saving: Off
Contrast: 73
Brightness: 50
H Sharpness: 46
V Sharpness: 36
Colour: 49
Tint: 0
Expert Control -
All standard except;
Colour Temp: Medium
Method: 2 Points
Red Contrast: 30
Green Contrast: 20
Blue Contrast: -15
Red Brightness: 19
Green Brightness: 8
Blue Brightness: 30
(normally if all brightness channels were being raised you'd just turn up the basic brightness, in this case it pushes blue too high in the darker areas, as these settings go blue is a bit high at 0-20% and red a little high at 90% the red can sometimes show in standard def skin tone highlights where there will be a mild pinkish tinge, it should be ok on HD material - overall the rest of the range is pretty much spot on. This is where 20-point is better but we're talking subtly, not leaps and bounds - nothing is miles out here.)
Color Management System:
(Standard unless stated)
Green Colour: 9
Yellow Tint: -4
Cyan Tint: 3
Magenta Tint: -3
That's it! Give it a chance, these are technically very good for this screen - you may prefer the image you had though, nothing wrong with that! You do adjust and soon see when less natural settings are used after a while. This is presuming the panels are all similar which they seem to be from other measurements I've seen.
Cheers,
Jim.
The picture will be darker than the settings you're used to but more "correct" - this gives 36ftl (overall brightness) where the max you'd normally want from plasma is about 40. In dark rooms the brighter picture would be more wearing on your eyes though would look initially impressive.
As with all settings changes, do them and walk away for a bit then come back fresh or the jump in difference from what you're used to can be offputting. Try them on Expert 1 or 2 but not the one you normally use of the two so you don't lose that. Do a picture reset on the one you want to use before putting the settings in.
Aspect Ratio: Just Scan (Some channels may get grey dots at the top on this, switch to "Original" if so)
Energy Saving: Off
Contrast: 73
Brightness: 50
H Sharpness: 46
V Sharpness: 36
Colour: 49
Tint: 0
Expert Control -
All standard except;
Colour Temp: Medium
Method: 2 Points
Red Contrast: 30
Green Contrast: 20
Blue Contrast: -15
Red Brightness: 19
Green Brightness: 8
Blue Brightness: 30
(normally if all brightness channels were being raised you'd just turn up the basic brightness, in this case it pushes blue too high in the darker areas, as these settings go blue is a bit high at 0-20% and red a little high at 90% the red can sometimes show in standard def skin tone highlights where there will be a mild pinkish tinge, it should be ok on HD material - overall the rest of the range is pretty much spot on. This is where 20-point is better but we're talking subtly, not leaps and bounds - nothing is miles out here.)
Color Management System:
(Standard unless stated)
Green Colour: 9
Yellow Tint: -4
Cyan Tint: 3
Magenta Tint: -3
That's it! Give it a chance, these are technically very good for this screen - you may prefer the image you had though, nothing wrong with that! You do adjust and soon see when less natural settings are used after a while. This is presuming the panels are all similar which they seem to be from other measurements I've seen.
Cheers,
Jim.
AEJim
Well-known member
Ok, adjusted the settings in my post above - this is now far better!
Apparently those PS3 settings have been causing a lot of people problems and I can see why (how annoying - just one little setting can mess up the whole black level!). With 2.2 gamma the picture is looking strong and bold with good blacks and enough shadow detail. I didn't alter the advanced colour settings yet but these shouldn't be greatly affected in any case.
I set this at around 36ftl overall brightness which is about right as a general usage setting, in bright daylight I'd have contrast and brightness higher (max around 78 + 52ish - though just changing to this alone would throw the RGB balance out a little and need adjusting) and for complete darkness possibly a little lower. As it stands this will be a good base setting.
Now I just have to go and do a full 20-point calibration now that all is working as it should be...
Apparently those PS3 settings have been causing a lot of people problems and I can see why (how annoying - just one little setting can mess up the whole black level!). With 2.2 gamma the picture is looking strong and bold with good blacks and enough shadow detail. I didn't alter the advanced colour settings yet but these shouldn't be greatly affected in any case.
I set this at around 36ftl overall brightness which is about right as a general usage setting, in bright daylight I'd have contrast and brightness higher (max around 78 + 52ish - though just changing to this alone would throw the RGB balance out a little and need adjusting) and for complete darkness possibly a little lower. As it stands this will be a good base setting.
Now I just have to go and do a full 20-point calibration now that all is working as it should be...
thanks AE Jim,just wondering,what is the rule of thumb for backlighting on LCD tv,i got an LG37ld490 recently for the kitchen,pictures lovely but i suspect i have the backlight set wrong.I have it set at 50,too high or too low?Any help..etc,etc
Don't know about LG but I have the backlight set to minimum and the contrast up high (95) on my sony to get the best black levels. Not sure if this is recommended but it works for me!
How are you finding the 37ld490 by the way? I'm thinking about getting one but am a little concerned about the motion issues that demoted the 32" version to three stars in WHF. How is the motion on the 37"?
Thanks
Thanks
bit of judder,panning shots a cause for concern but i can live with it ,overall though, a great picture performance,
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