Bought myself a 50' pioneer for xmas. great picture, but, is it worth the extra cost to get it calibrated or is the thx optimiser sufficient? cheers.
ISF calibration
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It probably is if you take your HT seriously though it's not cheap at around £300. Alternatively you could get a diagnostic tool such as spider 3 or eye one to do it yourself. Cheaper and re-useable though you won't be able to get into the pio's expert settings.
I haven't done mine yet simply because I'm not sure yet if I keep it so probably buy the spider which will come in handy with whatever display I use.
regards
I haven't done mine yet simply because I'm not sure yet if I keep it so probably buy the spider which will come in handy with whatever display I use.
regards
Assuming you have the LX5090, try these settings to get you started.
ÿ
User Mode
Contrast ÿ32
Brightness ÿ+1
Colour ÿ 0
Tint ÿ 0
Sharpness ÿ ÿ -15
PRO ADJUST
PURE CINEMA
Fim Mode OFF (SKY) or Advanced (BLUE RAY HD) OFF (SD DVD)
TXT Opt OFF
Intellegent Mode OFF
PICTURE DETAIL
DRE OFF (more accurate) or Low if you want more fake contrast
BLACL LEVEL OFF
ACL OFF
Enhancer Mode 2
Gamma 2
COLOUR DETAIL
Colour Temp Manual (PUSH FOR ENTER FOR 3 SECONDS)
Red High -2
Green High 0
Blue High -2
Red Low -1
Green Low 0
Blue Low -1
CTI OFF
Colour Management
Red 0
Yellow 0
Green 0
Cyan -1
Blue 0
Magenta -2
Colour Space 2
Noise Reduction All Off
ÿ
ÿ
User Mode
Contrast ÿ32
Brightness ÿ+1
Colour ÿ 0
Tint ÿ 0
Sharpness ÿ ÿ -15
PRO ADJUST
PURE CINEMA
Fim Mode OFF (SKY) or Advanced (BLUE RAY HD) OFF (SD DVD)
TXT Opt OFF
Intellegent Mode OFF
PICTURE DETAIL
DRE OFF (more accurate) or Low if you want more fake contrast
BLACL LEVEL OFF
ACL OFF
Enhancer Mode 2
Gamma 2
COLOUR DETAIL
Colour Temp Manual (PUSH FOR ENTER FOR 3 SECONDS)
Red High -2
Green High 0
Blue High -2
Red Low -1
Green Low 0
Blue Low -1
CTI OFF
Colour Management
Red 0
Yellow 0
Green 0
Cyan -1
Blue 0
Magenta -2
Colour Space 2
Noise Reduction All Off
ÿ
Many thanks topbloke 55
This is almost as I have mine set at present. Differences being contrast at 27/User mode for low light viewing (I find anything above it gives to much APL in dark scenes) though during the day it's no problem.
Brightness is currently -1, anything more seems to raise the sets black level..
Red High at minus 4 and I have'nt tampered with the low level color adjustment yet so will try yours for a few days.
Any particular reason you recommend those settings?
regards
This is almost as I have mine set at present. Differences being contrast at 27/User mode for low light viewing (I find anything above it gives to much APL in dark scenes) though during the day it's no problem.
Brightness is currently -1, anything more seems to raise the sets black level..
Red High at minus 4 and I have'nt tampered with the low level color adjustment yet so will try yours for a few days.
Any particular reason you recommend those settings?
regards
drummerman:
It probably is if you take your HT seriously though it's not cheap at around £300. Alternatively you could get a diagnostic tool such as spider 3 or eye one to do it yourself. Cheaper and re-useable though you won't be able to get into the pio's expert settings.
I haven't done mine yet simply because I'm not sure yet if I keep it so probably buy the spider which will come in handy with whatever display I use.
regards
how come you're thinking of not keeping the lx5090 then drummerman?
i'm mostly happy with mine. just annoyed that i'm one of the unfortunate that see phosphor trails..which seem quite bad on my one 🙁 my uncle has a panasonic 37" plasma and i hardly notice phosphor trails on his...and looking at another lx5090 in audio-t with fairly dim lighting i noticed it very little which i find curious. can one screen suffer with it more than another? bit of a disappointment really because without it the picture is awesome. does anyone know if the krp-500a would give me the same problems? also would an ISF calibration reduce the problem at all....i'd expect not.
It probably is if you take your HT seriously though it's not cheap at around £300. Alternatively you could get a diagnostic tool such as spider 3 or eye one to do it yourself. Cheaper and re-useable though you won't be able to get into the pio's expert settings.
I haven't done mine yet simply because I'm not sure yet if I keep it so probably buy the spider which will come in handy with whatever display I use.
regards
how come you're thinking of not keeping the lx5090 then drummerman?
i'm mostly happy with mine. just annoyed that i'm one of the unfortunate that see phosphor trails..which seem quite bad on my one 🙁 my uncle has a panasonic 37" plasma and i hardly notice phosphor trails on his...and looking at another lx5090 in audio-t with fairly dim lighting i noticed it very little which i find curious. can one screen suffer with it more than another? bit of a disappointment really because without it the picture is awesome. does anyone know if the krp-500a would give me the same problems? also would an ISF calibration reduce the problem at all....i'd expect not.
lastcoyote:drummerman:
It probably is if you take your HT seriously though it's not cheap at around £300. Alternatively you could get a diagnostic tool such as spider 3 or eye one to do it yourself. Cheaper and re-useable though you won't be able to get into the pio's expert settings.
I haven't done mine yet simply because I'm not sure yet if I keep it so probably buy the spider which will come in handy with whatever display I use.
regards
how come you're thinking of not keeping the lx5090 then drummerman?
i'm mostly happy with mine. just annoyed that i'm one of the unfortunate that see phosphor trails..which seem quite bad on my one 🙁 my uncle has a panasonic 37" plasma and i hardly notice phosphor trails on his...and looking at another lx5090 in audio-t with fairly dim lighting i noticed it very little which i find curious. can one screen suffer with it more than another? bit of a disappointment really because without it the picture is awesome. does anyone know if the krp-500a would give me the same problems? also would an ISF calibration reduce the problem at all....i'd expect not.
I did notice the phosphor trailing first but it seemed to settle down with use (perhaps around 200 or so hours now and it definitively diminished once I've changed the settings to what they are now to the extend that I rarely notice it.
The only thing worth mentioning is the limited brightness. Especially when the screen changes to something full white or any really bright full background, it dims noticeably but that's not unique to the brand and only a problem in bright conditions. In all other respects it is fantastic.I might yet keep it. I am just waiting to look at some of the new RGB/LED backlit sets due soon, perhaps they combine the best bits of both technologies. Curiosity killed the cat ...
It probably is if you take your HT seriously though it's not cheap at around £300. Alternatively you could get a diagnostic tool such as spider 3 or eye one to do it yourself. Cheaper and re-useable though you won't be able to get into the pio's expert settings.
I haven't done mine yet simply because I'm not sure yet if I keep it so probably buy the spider which will come in handy with whatever display I use.
regards
how come you're thinking of not keeping the lx5090 then drummerman?
i'm mostly happy with mine. just annoyed that i'm one of the unfortunate that see phosphor trails..which seem quite bad on my one 🙁 my uncle has a panasonic 37" plasma and i hardly notice phosphor trails on his...and looking at another lx5090 in audio-t with fairly dim lighting i noticed it very little which i find curious. can one screen suffer with it more than another? bit of a disappointment really because without it the picture is awesome. does anyone know if the krp-500a would give me the same problems? also would an ISF calibration reduce the problem at all....i'd expect not.
I did notice the phosphor trailing first but it seemed to settle down with use (perhaps around 200 or so hours now and it definitively diminished once I've changed the settings to what they are now to the extend that I rarely notice it.
The only thing worth mentioning is the limited brightness. Especially when the screen changes to something full white or any really bright full background, it dims noticeably but that's not unique to the brand and only a problem in bright conditions. In all other respects it is fantastic.I might yet keep it. I am just waiting to look at some of the new RGB/LED backlit sets due soon, perhaps they combine the best bits of both technologies. Curiosity killed the cat ...
drummerman:I did notice the phosphor trailing first but it seemed to settle down with use (perhaps around 200 or so hours now and it definitively diminished once I've changed the settings to what they are now to the extend that I rarely notice it.
The only thing worth mentioning is the limited brightness. Especially when the screen changes to something full white or any really bright full background, it dims noticeably but that's not unique to the brand and only a problem in bright conditions. In all other respects it is fantastic.I might yet keep it. I am just waiting to look at some of the new RGB/LED backlit sets due soon, perhaps they combine the best bits of both technologies. Curiosity killed the cat ...
so the phoshor trailing will reduce with use then? i do hope so.
how do you mean the brightness dims? you mean over time/use?
something else i've noticed too is on everything the lip sync seems to be slightly out. as in the audio is just slightly ahead of picture. i've not changed the audio side of things from my sky+ box to my current av amp at all (not yet received my yamaha ax863se yet...soon hopefully!) so is the plasma panel delaying things somehow?
The only thing worth mentioning is the limited brightness. Especially when the screen changes to something full white or any really bright full background, it dims noticeably but that's not unique to the brand and only a problem in bright conditions. In all other respects it is fantastic.I might yet keep it. I am just waiting to look at some of the new RGB/LED backlit sets due soon, perhaps they combine the best bits of both technologies. Curiosity killed the cat ...
so the phoshor trailing will reduce with use then? i do hope so.
how do you mean the brightness dims? you mean over time/use?
something else i've noticed too is on everything the lip sync seems to be slightly out. as in the audio is just slightly ahead of picture. i've not changed the audio side of things from my sky+ box to my current av amp at all (not yet received my yamaha ax863se yet...soon hopefully!) so is the plasma panel delaying things somehow?
I know my sky HD box has a facility to adjust audio delay times for exactly that reason. Have a look in your receiver manual and you probably find the same facility.
The brightness issue is related to peak levels depending on percentage of bright content on screen. Example, there is a scene in a room with a few brightly lit windows. They can be extremely bright. Now the scene changes to something white which takes up the entire screen and it dims noticeably. No big issue and if it doesn't bother you no problem at all.
regards
The brightness issue is related to peak levels depending on percentage of bright content on screen. Example, there is a scene in a room with a few brightly lit windows. They can be extremely bright. Now the scene changes to something white which takes up the entire screen and it dims noticeably. No big issue and if it doesn't bother you no problem at all.
regards
Cheers guys, hopefully saves me £300, to be put to a new blu-ray player, when they sort out the issues with the denons. When are the new RGB/LED tv's out?
ISF calibration = Rip off
It can't be that good to warrant the outlay, unless you have a £4000 screen+projector or something very sexy. ÿFor a TV, look online for a good idea of optimum settings, then tweak to see what YOU think looks best. ÿThe cash you haven't spent on an ISF cal can be much better spent on blu ray films and you'll get so much more enjoyment for your cash outlay.ÿ
It can't be that good to warrant the outlay, unless you have a £4000 screen+projector or something very sexy. ÿFor a TV, look online for a good idea of optimum settings, then tweak to see what YOU think looks best. ÿThe cash you haven't spent on an ISF cal can be much better spent on blu ray films and you'll get so much more enjoyment for your cash outlay.ÿ
Andrew Everard:
griffy:ISF calibration = Rip off
IYHO, of course...
Of course. ÿIf your buying a HDTV and not spending a fortune, then I don't think someone coming round to tweak it on your behalf is value for money. ÿFollow some guidlines as found online, and tweak it yourself to what you think looks best and save yourself a couple of hundred quid! If your filthy rich and spending top price for a huge HDTV or projector setup in a dedicated room then go the whole hog and splash out on ISF calibration
griffy:ISF calibration = Rip off
IYHO, of course...
Of course. ÿIf your buying a HDTV and not spending a fortune, then I don't think someone coming round to tweak it on your behalf is value for money. ÿFollow some guidlines as found online, and tweak it yourself to what you think looks best and save yourself a couple of hundred quid! If your filthy rich and spending top price for a huge HDTV or projector setup in a dedicated room then go the whole hog and splash out on ISF calibration
griffy:Andrew Everard:
griffy:ISF calibration = Rip off
IYHO, of course...
Of course. ÿIf your buying a HDTV and not spending a fortune, then I don't think someone coming round to tweak it on your behalf is value for money. ÿFollow some guidlines as found online, and tweak it yourself to what you think looks best and save yourself a couple of hundred quid! If your filthy rich and spending top price for a huge HDTV or projector setup in a dedicated room then go the whole hog and splash out on ISF calibration
Pioneer Kuros arent exactly cheap and the newest models - particularly KRP monitors have enough calibration options to baffle an average NASA engineer so home calibrating could be tricky for most.
Mine was pretty good out of the box but using settings someone posted online (lot like the ones above) got GREAT results. I use the donated calibration settings for BluRay but stick with the 'Standard' setting for watching tv and cant complain at all.
I'd suggest that if you're paying Kuro money then the calibration after 100 hours or so may well be money well spent but not essential.
griffy:ISF calibration = Rip off
IYHO, of course...
Of course. ÿIf your buying a HDTV and not spending a fortune, then I don't think someone coming round to tweak it on your behalf is value for money. ÿFollow some guidlines as found online, and tweak it yourself to what you think looks best and save yourself a couple of hundred quid! If your filthy rich and spending top price for a huge HDTV or projector setup in a dedicated room then go the whole hog and splash out on ISF calibration
Pioneer Kuros arent exactly cheap and the newest models - particularly KRP monitors have enough calibration options to baffle an average NASA engineer so home calibrating could be tricky for most.
Mine was pretty good out of the box but using settings someone posted online (lot like the ones above) got GREAT results. I use the donated calibration settings for BluRay but stick with the 'Standard' setting for watching tv and cant complain at all.
I'd suggest that if you're paying Kuro money then the calibration after 100 hours or so may well be money well spent but not essential.
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