iPhone 5

[Deleted member 2457]

How much do you reckon it will cost? My guess is £600

 

[scene]

Depends on memory. I reckon it'll be in line with the iPhone 4S prices on release - i.e. £500 for a 16GB model, £600 for the 32GB & £700 for 64GB. If the rumoured 128GB model exists - then probably £800.

 

[chebby]

I'm more interested in the iPad Mini (if it's not just a rumour) or - better - a larger screened iPhone.

Any predictions on iPhone 5 screen size?

For once my iPhone contract ends at the right time for a new release.

 

[Paul.]

Current rumors point to a 4" 16x9 screen. Same pixel density, same screen width, just taller. With reductions in bezel height, the phone should be about the same size give or take half a centimetre. More likely give

 

[scene]

I'm more interested in the iPad Mini (if it's not just a rumour) or - better - a larger screened iPhone.

Any predictions on iPhone 5 screen size?

For once my iPhone contract ends at the right time for a new release.

I too am in the market for a new phone soonish, and am torn between an android-based device, or an iPhone - a big iPhone might swing the decision...

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Hi guys

Cheers for replies and info, should be interesting to see if they reduce the price of the iPhone 4s then. Smaller iPad sounds interesting too. I have the iPad 2 and iPhone 4s but I am still quite interested in the spec and prices of the new ones.

Cheers again.

 

[Juzzie Wuzzie]

I'm with Scene on the Android v. iPhone upgrade (from my trusty Nokia) but is there any *good* way of syncing Android to Mac? The iPhone syncing / integration / Apple universe has a lot of appeal for a Mac / ATV / etc user such as me.

 

[grdunn123]

I'm not sure that a 4' screen is gonna cut it with Samsung already having the wonderful Galaxy s111. I just have the feeling that Apple may have missed the boat somewhat with the launch of the 'new' iPhone considering most thought it was due over a year ago!

I have the iPhone 4 and the new Ipad - I'm considering downgrading the phone to something more simple as the Ipad does everything I need (other than phone calls obviously) and does it much more quickly and with a superb screen.

 

[bigboss]

I'm with Scene on the Android v. iPhone upgrade (from my trusty Nokia) but is there any *good* way of syncing Android to Mac? The iPhone syncing / integration / Apple universe has a lot of appeal for a Mac / ATV / etc user such as me.

Why do you want syncing your phone to Mac? I've never synced my HTC to my Windows laptop.

I've actually been put off by Apple's bullying attitude in stifling competition. My next upgrade will be either an Android or Windows 8.

 

[professorhat]

Why do you want syncing your phone to Mac? I've never synced my HTC to my Windows laptop.

It's pretty useful on the Mac - instead of syncing files, I just tick a box to sync a playlist from iTunes. Same for albums in iPhoto - just tick a box. And with Mountain Lion, emails, contacts, iMessages, notes, internet bookmarks, even documents and spreadsheets and all sorts of other things are just automatically synced through iCloud. So work on something on your Mac, leave the house and pick it up where you left off on your iPhone / iPad.

If you've never had it, you won't miss it - but once you have, it's really hard to go back!

 

[SnowyJohn]

If you choose to use your phone as a music player or as a camera it's pretty clear why one might want/need to sync with a computer. Apple are hardly stifling competition merely protecting their own innovation... But let's not get into that.

I, for one, would like all my devices to communicate nicely together... They aren't forcing me to sync my phone to my computer but it sure is nice bring able to do it wirelessly and automatically if I choose to.

 

[professorhat]

For the sake of balance, I should say I suspect once the full Windows 8 machines and phones come along, they'll no doubt offer the same level (perhaps even more) of a link up between phone and PC. So this may well present a pretty compelling choice for PC users in the future - we'll see how right Microsoft can get it.

 

[bigboss]

Apple are hardly stifling competition merely protecting their own innovation... But let's not get into that.

All I can say is that Apple is exploiting current patent laws, conveniently forgetting its own past. Of course, Samsung isn't entirely ethical in its approach, but the overall outcome is out of proportion to what Samsung deserves.

Everyone knows what Steve Jobs said many years ago.

Innovation has taken place over years, building on what already exists. There's no point in reinventing the wheel if it has already been made. That is how mankind has progressed. Nobody in the past applied for patents as vigorously as Apple, the main reason why LG can't sue Apple for releasing a rectangular phone with round edges, & Google / HTC can't sue Apple for ideas like notification bars etc.

This is what Google has said, & I agree:

The court of appeals will review both infringement and the validity of the patent claims. Most of these don’t relate to the core Android operating system, and several are being re-examined by the US Patent Office. The mobile industry is moving fast and all players — including newcomers — are building upon ideas that have been around for decades. We work with our partners to give consumers innovative and affordable products, and we don’t want anything to limit that.

 

[SnowyJohn]

I cannot comment on this matter with any expertise and don't purport to understand the patent laws. It's clear that before the iPhone, mobile phones were not a 4" rectangle glass front with a button in the centre on the bottom, a port on the lower end, a headphone jack in the top end. Is it right that you can patent such a vague design? I don't know, but clearly they must have a point about their IP, regardless of how inappropriate the rules might be.

And what you put in bold, of course Google will have that approach but you must remember they make their money by very different means than Apple, atleast up until recently.

I don't wish to argue BB, but I do not believe that copying breeds innovation. I believe Innovation is more likely born from competition and the need to survive. I do believe that there are many hardware and software aspects of 'Android phones' that have been copied from iPhones... But should this sort of copying be allowed?

 

[AnotherJoe]

To keep pace with other manufacturers they will probably update the processor from the cortex a-9 (as found in iphone, tegra3, samsung sg2) to the newer cortex a-15 (found in HTC One S, HTC One x(US) Samsung Sg3 (US)).

It gives 40% extra performance with only a 10% increase in battery use.

4inch screen seems to be a given.

 

[bigboss]

I cannot comment on this matter with any expertise and don't purport to understand the patent laws. It's clear that before the iPhone, mobile phones were not a 4" rectangle glass front with a button in the centre on the bottom, a port on the lower end, a headphone jack in the top end. Is it right that you can patent such a vague design? I don't know, but clearly they must have a point about their IP, regardless of how inappropriate the rules might be.

And what you put in bold, of course Google will have that approach but you must remember they make their money by very different means than Apple, atleast up until recently.

I don't wish to argue BB, but I do not believe that copying breeds innovation. I believe Innovation is more likely born from competition and the need to survive. I do believe that there are many hardware and software aspects of 'Android phones' that have been copied from iPhones... But should this sort of copying be allowed?

I see your point. Even Apple has been guilty of the same though. Has it copied its design from LG Prada which was released earlier than the iPhone? They do look strikingly similar. We know the software "tweaks" Apple made in response to Android, like OTA updates, notification bar etc. Where do you draw the line?

As Steve Jobs said, good artists copy & great artists steal. He proudly admitted stealing ideas from others. Who decides who's good & who's great?

 

[bigboss]

This journalist isn't a fan of Apple at all!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/28/apple-rot-starts-with-samsung-lawsuit-win

 

[Ryan92]

I don't think the phone will actually be massively different. Perhaps slightly bigger, but I rather like the screen size currently, it fits in the hand much more nicely than an S3 for example. I mean, the 4S is hardly sluggish, and it's always been apple's way to work more on the software than the hardware. The closed system obviously being both the blessing and the curse of iOS, but however you look at it, it does considerably better with the hardware it's given than an andriod equivalent device.

As for the price, I'd say it will probably come in around the same price as the 4S is now.

Apple's main problem is, if it's only going to have one model of it's latest phone, it might end up with a bit of a jack of all trades thing. Almost every other manufacturer has various screen sizes/designs with incredibly similar spec. I'd rather they make one phone that has a nice big screen some people are after, and one with a smaller one that others will want. Not something that isn't the biggest but isn't the nicest to hold.

 

[cheeseboy]

apple very rarely invent anything. (since wozniak left anyways) They like to put things together in a nice shiny box and let the marketing do the work.

For me, the biggest issue with the new phone isn't going to be the specs, it's ios itself (another thing taken - the name of the operating system!). It's starting lag quite far behind android and the new version ios6 doesn't so much improve on much, instead it's just taking a lot of the google in built apps and replacing them with apple ones.

Be interesting to see if they can pull anything out the bag, but am guessing a bigger screen, better camera, possibly faster cpu, so nothing that's unexpected, new or innovational. Shame really.

 

[Juzzie Wuzzie]

Prof Hat said it all for me - I just want to access a 'central Juzzie Wuzzie' system and be able to make changes on my Mac, iPads, iPhone that are communal.

 

[scene]

Prof Hat said it all for me - I just want to access a 'central Juzzie Wuzzie' system and be able to make changes on my Mac, iPads, iPhone that are communal.

I want to be able to access any of my devices and have it update on all of them. Mrs Scene is an Omnifocus fan and it does this on her iMac / iPod (soon to be iPhone I suspect...) which is great.

I do something similar with my v.old Palm Centro and my laptop - but I want it all! I want Phone <-> Tablet <-> Desktop (without compulsory online access, a la Google)

 

[fr0g]

apple very rarely invent anything. (since wozniak left anyways)

They haven't invented ANYTHING.

.

Everything Apple has ever done is smarten up (sometimes) an existing product.

The jury in the US were mericans backing a merican company, nothing more. The judge in the UK had it right.

Some of the things Samsung have been punished for should not be patentable at all... bounce back!

They are doing exactly what Microsoft did way back when, who rightly got smacked down for bullying and anti-competive behaviour. It's high time Apple got what they deserve. I'd sooner give my money to the Tory party!

 

[Anonymous]

Every idea comes from something or other. Stealing/copying that's for the courts to decide.

As for iPhone 5 design and pricing my guess is as follows

Thinner YES

larger iPhone NO. Although they might make the screen bigger by making better use of the space they have already. I personally believe it's a matter of time before the home button goes replaced by a fancy alternative.

Better camera YES better flash I hope so!

Smaller ports YES

faster hardware inside of course YES

Battery life Im affraid NO. Unless it's that year they anounce a new type of battery that last weeks and weighs next to nothing (You never know we might get lucky)

Cost Same prices as before sadly although feel free apple to drop the prices

 

[Paul.]

As Steve Jobs said, good artists copy & great artists steal. He proudly admitted stealing ideas from others. Who decides who's good & who's great?

The gist of that statement is great artist make ideas their own. They don't just reproduce what others have done, they add to it, reproduce it in their own style. Copying is lazy, reinventing is hard. Take Dyson. He didn't invent the cyclonic vacuum. He visited the powder coating factory where his ball barrow was being coated, and they used cyclonic vacuums to collect the waste powder so it could be re-used. So this tech already existed, but he refactored it in to a new product and revolutionised a market. Exactly what Apple did with the iPhone. Samsung is kinda like Hoover in this analogy

 

[oldric_naubhoff]

If you choose to use your phone as a music player or as a camera it's pretty clear why one might want/need to sync with a computer. Apple are hardly stifling competition merely protecting their own innovation... But let's not get into that.

:rofl:

so it's like Apple invented wireless communication between different digital devices?

I, for one, would like all my devices to communicate nicely together... They aren't forcing me to sync my phone to my computer but it sure is nice bring able to do it wirelessly and automatically if I choose to.

but the problem is that in case of Apple if you want to have your phone to be synced with your iMAc it's either iPhone or nothing. I've always hated this locking away product policy of Apple, that they are only compatible with themselves and nothing else.