Holy Grail of Home Cinema

[FunkyMonkey]

I now have a system with a 4k projector and 7.2.4 Dolby Atmos. Even 5.1 up-matrixed to Atmos type sound field sounds amazing.

My screen is the weak link, but it is still damn good for a <£100 electric screen with a big scratch in it.

So I now want to assert that I (will) have reached the holy grail of what my eyes and ears can perceive (once I upgrade my screen, the quality will be there also), so I cannot see what in teh future I could possibley upgrade to enhance my movie viewing pleasure.

 

[jjbomber]

I (will) have reached the holy grail of what my eyes and ears can perceive, so I cannot see what in the future I could possibly upgrade to enhance my movie viewing pleasure.

Glasses and hearing aids.

 

[FunkyMonkey]

I (will) have reached the holy grail of what my eyes and ears can perceive, so I cannot see what in the future I could possibly upgrade to enhance my movie viewing pleasure.

Glasses and hearing aids.

Hopefully quite a few years away yet!!

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

Don't worry.

The electronics industry (and press and peer pressure) will soon have you craving an 8K holographic PJ and screen, under-floor surround, vibrating seats, smellyvision, genuine 3D holographic images....

And about seventeen more iterations of the HDR and HDMI cable standards...

 

[ellisdj]

I now have a system with a 4k projector and 7.2.4 Dolby Atmos. Even 5.1 up-matrixed to Atmos type sound field sounds amazing.

My screen is the weak link, but it is still damn good for a <£100 electric screen with a big scratch in it.

So I now want to assert that I (will) have reached the holy grail of what my eyes and ears can perceive (once I upgrade my screen, the quality will be there also), so I cannot see what in teh future I could possibley upgrade to enhance my movie viewing pleasure.

It can always get better - thats the best and worst thing about the hobby

 

[macdiddy]

*biggrin*

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

It can always get better - thats the best and worst thing about the hobby

The law of diminishing returns, however, .....

Surely we are reaching the pinnacle of what our eyes and ears can discern with the quantum leap to Star Trek "holosuites"?

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

Not that I have the cash for either right now, but I'm still trying to decide between a 100 to 110 ish inch 4K TV (if they ever come out at reasonable prices) to go between my in wall speakers or a 4K PJ and 140 inch screen to go over them.

Last night we went to see "Molly's Game" at our local multiplex. We had to sit in the front row and I couldn't help noticing how grainy the picture actually was.

The movie, by the way, is very good, even if Jessica CHESTain's cleavage distracts you from the plot most of the time ;-)

 

[jjbomber]

even if Jessica CHESTain's cleavage distracts you from the plot most of the time ;-)

Is she the tit-le character?

 

[newlash09]

I now have a system with a 4k projector and 7.2.4 Dolby Atmos. Even 5.1 up-matrixed to Atmos type sound field sounds amazing. 

My screen is the weak link, but it is still damn good for a <£100 electric screen with a big scratch in it. 

So I now want to assert that I (will) have reached the holy grail of what my eyes and ears can perceive (once I upgrade my screen, the quality will be there also), so I cannot see what in teh future I could possibley upgrade to enhance my movie viewing pleasure.

Really glad that you are very happy with your setup. Must be awesome watching in 7.2
4. As per existing format, that is indeed the holy grail of cinema. Enjoy

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

even if Jessica CHESTain's cleavage distracts you from the plot most of the time ;-)

Is she the tit-le character?

Don't knock(er) her acting abilities... O.O

 

[FunkyMonkey]

So I found something to upgrade....sold my budget, 3 year old motorised screen and will now upgrade to 120in tab tensioned one.

I suppose one day I coudl upgrade to external power amps, but as BA said - law of dimishing returns.

 

[macdiddy]

for that affordable tv.

https://www.engadget.com/2013/12/29/samsung-110-inch-uhd-tv/

*biggrin*

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

for that affordable tv.

https://www.engadget.com/2013/12/29/samsung-110-inch-uhd-tv/

*biggrin*

 

I'll wait for the 50 cent Wal-Mart version

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

Human eye resolution is, I read somewhere, about 1 minute of arc or 1/60th of a degree.

Whether you can see individual pixels depends on how close you are to the screen.

At about 1 foot (or about holding your cellphone close to your face) it's about 300 pixels per inch. ( Maths for those interested - resolution in pixels per inch = 1/(distance in inches from eyeball to screen * sin(1/60 degree))

At 6 feet (or about sitting on the couch watching TV in a typical UK living room) it's about 47 pixels per inch.

At 12 feet it's about 24 pixels per inch.

At 24 feet it's about 12 pixels per inch.

At 48 feet it's about 6 pixels per inch.

A typical "large" 75 inch UHD TV has 3840/75 = about 51 pixels per inch. An 8K TV would have about 100. So unless you're sitting closer than 6 feet from your TV you won't be able to discern individual pixels on a 75 inch UHD TV. That doubles to 12 feet on an 8K TV.

On a 140 inch diagonal (122 ish inch or 10 ft ish wide)16:9 PJ screen 3860 pixels means a pixel size of 0.032 inches or about 31 pixels per inch BTW. So for my media room, with a 19 foot length, 12'6" width and with the closest couch about 10 feet from the screen I would only just (if at all) be able to make out individual pixels at UHD resolution, probably not at all at 8K resolution.

And all of the above assumes you've got perfect vision and that the pixels stay still long enough for your brain to process them.

The upshot of all this is that in a typical British 15 ft x 12 ft living room, even on a "large" 75 inch UHD TV the pixel resolution is already nearly double the limit of the human eye's perception. Going to 8K is superfluous unless you plan on sitting 3 feet away from a very large TV, in which case you probably wouldn't be able to see the edges of the picture whilst looking at the centre anyway.

The only caveats I would add are that:

(1) the human brain has an uncanny knack of telling us a picture is "grainy" if the resolution isn't twice the limit of our abilities to discern it;

and:

(2) there is an obvious benefit, say in a cinema, where a 40 foot screen (1/8 inch pixel size at 4K, 1/16 inch pixel size at 8K) has to be pleasantly viewable by people sitting 30 or 40 feet back and 80 to 100 feet back.

 

[FunkyMonkey]

Put simply, we are now at the stage where the way something is recorded and also how our equipment is set up is more important than how much we spend asking as the minimum spec is bought.

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

Put simply, the home electronics industry has reached the point where the limits of human perception have been reached and or exceeded. In order to maintain their sales volumes, however, they will keep dreaming up new ways to persuade us to part with our cash, e.g. curved TVs, 3D TVs, curved 3D TV's, curved 3D TVs but curved the other way...

 

[Gray]

...of the human eye's perception? (Though that surely depends on individual eyesight)

And doesn't the planned 8k come with 22 channel surround sound? Maybe after that you can stop spending FunkyMonkey!

https://www.whathifi.com/advice/8k-tv-everything-you-need-to-know

 

[bigboss]

Yes, the limits of human perception isn't a criteria anymore in TV technology.

 

[ellisdj]

in order to know if what you have is up there you need to go and listen to many other systems and see how they compare

that is the only way to know - its easy to sit in your bubble (and often much cheaper with less heart ache and stress) and think this its a good as it gets.

there is always something to learn about and then implement imo

It could be setup related or it could be system related. I have always thouhgt and still do that your system foundation is just as important as the system it self - and also bass amount and quality is often overlooked but is the most important aspect of the overall experience.

*biggrin*

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

Here's a thought.

Supposing how BIG they can make the LEDs limits how big the TV's can go. Is that why 8K sets are coming out? Simply because above, I dunno, 85 inches or so, the LEDs are too small to fill the space without the picture looking like one of those old coloured lightbulb ads in Picadilly Circus?

 

[Blacksabbath25]

4k is good i think its a bit pointless 8k but we will have to wait and see what happen's and my eyes are not as good as they used to be as i have to use glasses for watching Tv now *dirol*

 

[FunkyMonkey]

So I put up my new tab tensioned screen yesterday. And I am mightily impressed for how much I paid.

 

[newlash09]

So I put up my new tab tensioned screen yesterday. And I am mightily impressed for how much I paid.

I can imagine what a 7.2.4 setup on a 4k projector would look and sound like. I aspired for the same but couldn't get anything beyond 5.1.4 past the wife. Glad you are happy with yours

 

[Alantiggger]

Don't worry.

The electronics industry (and press and peer pressure) will soon have you craving an 8K holographic PJ and screen, under-floor surround, vibrating seats, smellyvision, genuine 3D holographic images....

And about seventeen more iterations of the HDR and HDMI cable standards...

MOST AGREED, your system will SOON BE Obsolete.... so you better start to save so as to keep-up with the new standard.