Exposure 3010S2 with Kef or Monitor Audio?

[loneranger]

I've heard the Kef R500 with Exposure 3010S2 amp. Not bad, but not much bass. Also a little boring sound. I also heard MA Silver 8 but with another amp. More enthoustic sound with better and more bass. For my music, rock and metal, perhahps better. But still sharper, shriller highes as the Kef. The kef are smoother, but seems to miss something. Not so exciting. I have a Exposure 3010S2. What is a better match with this amp; Kef or MA?

 

[Al ears]

I've heard the Kef R500 with Exposure 3010S2 amp. Not bad, but not much bass. Also a little boring sound. I also heard MA Silver 8 but with another amp. More enthoustic sound with better and more bass. For my music, rock and metal, perhahps better. But still sharper, shriller highes as the Kef. The kef are smoother, but seems to miss something. Not so exciting. I have a Exposure 3010S2. What is a better match with this amp; Kef or MA?

Probably neither as you have found out. Why only the two choices?

 

[loneranger]

From all what i've heard; these two the best, but not perfect (which is impossible).

 

[Al ears]

From all what i've heard; these two the best, but not perfect (which is impossible).

From all what I've heard? Do you mean auditioned or read?

 

[Freddy58]

Haven't you already had a thread on this?

 

[Andrewjvt]

Haven't you already had a thread on this?

At least. Then there is peterpan and obiwans threads also the same

 

[CnoEvil]

I'm surprised that you found the R500s to lack bass.

 

[Freddy58]

I'm surprised that you found the R500s to lack bass.

Me too. Although I do think the R300's have slightly better bass. Yes, only one driver as opposed to the R500's two, but the R300 carries a larger driver, and size matters *biggrin*

 

[Al ears]

I'm surprised that you found the R500s to lack bass.

Me too. Although I do think the R300's have slightly better bass. Yes, only one driver as opposed to the R500's two, but the R300 carries a larger driver, and size matters *biggrin*

Failed the test.

Quality matters, size isn't everything.

Perhaps the correct answer is the ProAc Studio 148.

 

[Freddy58]

I'm surprised that you found the R500s to lack bass.

Me too. Although I do think the R300's have slightly better bass. Yes, only one driver as opposed to the R500's two, but the R300 carries a larger driver, and size matters *biggrin*

Failed the test.

Quality matters, size isn't everything.

But, it (size) certainly helps. Thing is, it's surprising how many folks come on here wanting to add a sub because their titchy speakers aren't giving the bass they'd hoped for. For me, the basic start is a speaker that can shift some air. But, that's just me and my preference.

 

[Al ears]

I'm surprised that you found the R500s to lack bass.

Me too. Although I do think the R300's have slightly better bass. Yes, only one driver as opposed to the R500's two, but the R300 carries a larger driver, and size matters *biggrin*

Failed the test.

Quality matters, size isn't everything.

But, it (size) certainly helps. Thing is, it's surprising how many folks come on here wanting to add a sub because their titchy speakers aren't giving the bass they'd hoped for. For me, the basic start is a speaker that can shift some air. But, that's just me and my preference.

Don't get me wrong, if you need a sub you have the wrong speakers to start with.

Subs have their place in an AV system and can help in very difficult room situations but add complications in what should be a simple set-up.

 

[loneranger]

DAli Opticon 6 and Monitor audio silver 8 have much better bass and gives a more exciting sound. But the highes are too upfront. And indeed; the bass of the Kef r300 is better and more than from the R500. But the R300 is a dull sounding speaker.

 

[Freddy58]

I'm surprised that you found the R500s to lack bass.

Me too. Although I do think the R300's have slightly better bass. Yes, only one driver as opposed to the R500's two, but the R300 carries a larger driver, and size matters *biggrin*

Failed the test.

Quality matters, size isn't everything.

But, it (size) certainly helps. Thing is, it's surprising how many folks come on here wanting to add a sub because their titchy speakers aren't giving the bass they'd hoped for. For me, the basic start is a speaker that can shift some air. But, that's just me and my preference.

Don't get me wrong, if you need a sub you have the wrong speakers to start with.

Subs have their place in an AV system and can help in very difficult room situations but add complications in what should be a simple set-up.

Let's be honest here, lots of folks come on here wanting to know "where's the bass?". We've seen it time and time again. The modern trend is for ever more 'revealing' speakers, at the expense of speakers that can shift a bit of air. Of course, some folks are happy with a 'thin' sound, fair enough. Not my thing though.

 

[Al ears]

I'm surprised that you found the R500s to lack bass.

Me too. Although I do think the R300's have slightly better bass. Yes, only one driver as opposed to the R500's two, but the R300 carries a larger driver, and size matters *biggrin*

Failed the test.

Quality matters, size isn't everything.

But, it (size) certainly helps. Thing is, it's surprising how many folks come on here wanting to add a sub because their titchy speakers aren't giving the bass they'd hoped for. For me, the basic start is a speaker that can shift some air. But, that's just me and my preference.

Don't get me wrong, if you need a sub you have the wrong speakers to start with.

Subs have their place in an AV system and can help in very difficult room situations but add complications in what should be a simple set-up.

Let's be honest here, lots of folks come on here wanting to know "where's the bass?". We've seen it time and time again. The modern trend is for ever more 'revealing' speakers, at the expense of speakers that can shift a bit of air. Of course, some folks are happy with a 'thin' sound, fair enough. Not my thing though.

Quite agree, there are just as many questions on here asking 'where is the bass' as there is asking how to reduce the bass boom.

The simple answer is how many of these posters actually auditioned their speakers before parting with cash?

If they can't get this simple bit right then they have no hope of progressing further.

Most yoofs of today have no idea as to how bass should sound / feel as they are brainwashed by the discos they have been to.

 

[Freddy58]

But the R300 is a dull sounding speaker.

In that case, get yourself some MA GX100's, they'll be right up your street

 

[Andrewjvt]

I'm surprised that you found the R500s to lack bass.

Me too. Although I do think the R300's have slightly better bass. Yes, only one driver as opposed to the R500's two, but the R300 carries a larger driver, and size matters *biggrin*

Failed the test.

Quality matters, size isn't everything.

?

But, it (size) certainly helps. Thing is, it's surprising how many folks come on here wanting to add a sub because their titchy speakers aren't giving the bass they'd hoped for. For me, the basic start is a speaker that can shift some air. But, that's just me and my preference.

Don't get me wrong, if you need a sub you have the wrong speakers to start with.

Subs have their place in an AV system and can help in very difficult room situations but add complications in what should be a simple set-up.?

Let's be honest here, lots of folks come on here wanting to know "where's the bass?". We've seen it time and time again. The modern trend is for ever more 'revealing' speakers, at the expense of speakers that can shift a bit of air. Of course, some folks are happy with a 'thin' sound, fair enough. Not my thing though.

Quite agree, there are just as many questions on here asking 'where is the bass' as there is asking how to reduce the bass boom.?

The simple answer is how many of these posters actually auditioned their speakers before parting with cash?

If they can't get this  simple bit right then they have no hope of progressing further.

Most yoofs of today have no idea as to how bass should sound / feel as they are brainwashed by the discos they have been to.

1. If its not in the recording you wint hear any

2. The better amplification/speaker combination the more controlled in the bass department and this does not sound boomy (distorted bass) many people are used to this and miss it when not present.

The brain translates distortion as extra volume volume so maybe thats an issue also.

Al ears: i know you understand this already i was just quoting in general and not aiming this at you at all

 

[matthewpiano]

Yes, I'm with Andrew on this. People are used to bass hyped up by distortion and what many people think is 'thin' bass is actually more accurate. At most gigs/concerts the bass guitar doesn't have all that bloom in its sound, and the double basses of the orchestra don't sound like elephants after a giant pizza. I love things about both my Dynaudios and my Rega RS1s, but I've switched back to the RS1s this weekend as they are more insightful across the frequency range and the bass is supremely natural and realistic.

Exposure amps aren't exactly lean in the bass but in my experience they are very truthful and accurate, providing (through the right speakers of course) information about the timbre and texture of bass sound rather than some amorphous blob of bass frequencies. The 3010S2 will do a very good job of controlling the drivers of most speakers so you are unlikely to get lots of overhang, boom or smearing unless you buy the wrong speakers for your room and position them poorly.

I would suggest some extended listening to a few different options and, in order to get the best out of that lovely amplifier, I'd be looking towards Spendor, Harbeth, Audio Note, PMC, and ATC. It is worth persevering for now to see how your ears adjust. If they don't, then we're all different, and maybe something like a big pair of Dali Zensor floorstanders would be more likely to hit your buttons.

 

[loneranger]

I have already compared the Kef R500 with a PMC speaker, mean it was the 23. The R500 sounded better. The dealer was agree with me. The sound was fuller on the Kef.

Also perfection is impossible. I can buy a demo Kef R500 by a dealer with full warranty for 1125,-- Euro. I think i will do this. And also buy a Van den Hul D352 speakercable.

 

[Andrewjvt]

I have already compared the Kef R500 with a PMC speaker, mean it was the 23. The R500 sounded better. The dealer was agree with me. The sound was fuller on the Kef.

Also perfection is impossible. I can buy a demo Kef R500 by a dealer with full warranty for 1125,-- Euro. I think i will do this. And also buy a Van den Hul D352 speakercable.

R700s or r300s much better than r500s imo

 

[Al ears]

I'm surprised that you found the R500s to lack bass.

Me too. Although I do think the R300's have slightly better bass. Yes, only one driver as opposed to the R500's two, but the R300 carries a larger driver, and size matters *biggrin*

Failed the test.

Quality matters, size isn't everything.

But, it (size) certainly helps. Thing is, it's surprising how many folks come on here wanting to add a sub because their titchy speakers aren't giving the bass they'd hoped for. For me, the basic start is a speaker that can shift some air. But, that's just me and my preference.

Don't get me wrong, if you need a sub you have the wrong speakers to start with.

Subs have their place in an AV system and can help in very difficult room situations but add complications in what should be a simple set-up.

Let's be honest here, lots of folks come on here wanting to know "where's the bass?". We've seen it time and time again. The modern trend is for ever more 'revealing' speakers, at the expense of speakers that can shift a bit of air. Of course, some folks are happy with a 'thin' sound, fair enough. Not my thing though.

Quite agree, there are just as many questions on here asking 'where is the bass' as there is asking how to reduce the bass boom.

The simple answer is how many of these posters actually auditioned their speakers before parting with cash?

If they can't get this simple bit right then they have no hope of progressing further.

Most yoofs of today have no idea as to how bass should sound / feel as they are brainwashed by the discos they have been to.

1. If its not in the recording you wint hear any

2. The better amplification/speaker combination the more controlled in the bass department and this does not sound boomy (distorted bass) many people are used to this and miss it when not present.

The brain translates distortion as extra volume volume so maybe thats an issue also.

Al ears: i know you understand this already i was just quoting in general and not aiming this at you at all

I never believed you were. You are correct about the apparent acceptance of distortion and finding the sound somewhat lacking when it is not present.

 

[Audio Maniac]

Your amplifier deserves better quality loudspeakers than KEF R500 or MA Silver. Anyway, you will spent more than 1000 pounds for a decent pair of floorstanders. You are in Europe and there are lots of good options, like Spendor, Harbeth, ATC, Linn, Proac, ELAC, Dali, etc.

 

[Edbo2]

What ever happened to Cerwin Vegas? Not particularly accurate but bass in spades