With all the discussion in these forums about power conditioners and the quality of mains power affecting audio quality, I wonder if anyone has any knowledge/experience of whether running ethernet over mains would degrade or interfere with the quality of mains supply to audio gear?
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John Duncan
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My friend did it for about five minutes, because his setup (particularly his turntable) became very (and I mean very) noisy. Use wired or wireless (the latter is not as painful as you might think, as I found out after RTFMing).
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I've used both wireless and homeplug, both in a professional (non-audio) and home audio setup. Avoid homeplug - even between floors I was getting a better throughput from g wireless vs 85mb homeplug.
As John correctly says, the homeplug introduces a lot of noise onto the mains (RF mainly) which you could really do without!!!
If you want any tips with wireless...just ask!
As John correctly says, the homeplug introduces a lot of noise onto the mains (RF mainly) which you could really do without!!!
If you want any tips with wireless...just ask!
Thanks guys, I suspected as much. I'm not afraid of wireless but didnt think it would get thru floors so I'm encouraged by your experience. Currently only at the stage of researching NAS options, but might take up your offer down the track. Cheers 🙂
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As John correctly says, the homeplug introduces a lot of noise onto the mains (RF mainly) which you could really do without!!!
[/quote]Doesn't Russ Andrews have a solution for that problem?
As John correctly says, the homeplug introduces a lot of noise onto the mains (RF mainly) which you could really do without!!!
[/quote]Doesn't Russ Andrews have a solution for that problem?
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Oh.
I use a powerline network for streaming my music from my PC to my PS3 and it sound fine to me, given the limitations of the file format (wma) and the attached speakers (aego m).
I use a powerline network for streaming my music from my PC to my PS3 and it sound fine to me, given the limitations of the file format (wma) and the attached speakers (aego m).
Better to dig out an old thread if it is exactly on the subject than to start a new one?
I am considering a Squeezebox Touch (or similar) for a bedroom system and want it to play music from my mac wihich is in the main room. Having tried wireless streaming before in my flat between computers I know sound drops out a lot so this kind of killed the Squeezebox opton - until somebody reminded me of ethernet over mains. (wired ethernet network is not an option)
So, if I am to try Squeezebox connected ethernet - mains - ethernet - mac, which products (ethernet-mains) should I look at? From your experience, which one works better/worth?
I hope, if these products are any good i.e. adequate, there should be no real issues with degrading sound in the rest of the music system(s).
Woudl appreciate your help.
I am considering a Squeezebox Touch (or similar) for a bedroom system and want it to play music from my mac wihich is in the main room. Having tried wireless streaming before in my flat between computers I know sound drops out a lot so this kind of killed the Squeezebox opton - until somebody reminded me of ethernet over mains. (wired ethernet network is not an option)
So, if I am to try Squeezebox connected ethernet - mains - ethernet - mac, which products (ethernet-mains) should I look at? From your experience, which one works better/worth?
I hope, if these products are any good i.e. adequate, there should be no real issues with degrading sound in the rest of the music system(s).
Woudl appreciate your help.
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PJPro:Oh.
I use a powerline network for streaming my music from my PC to my PS3 and it sound fine to me, given the limitations of the file format (wma) and the attached speakers (aego m).
Same as, I use the Netgear Wallplugs due to having problems on the PC wireless (constant issues with adaptors, seemingly getting too warm and failing when streaming). They work very well, never fail and can cope with HD streaming at the same time as large downloads. I use them to stream video from the PC > wireless router > PS3 (wirelessly) > TV.
My Aego 2 on the PC crackles a little more when moving the volume control but has only very minor additional background noise/hiss when playing - I can live with it.
I use a powerline network for streaming my music from my PC to my PS3 and it sound fine to me, given the limitations of the file format (wma) and the attached speakers (aego m).
Same as, I use the Netgear Wallplugs due to having problems on the PC wireless (constant issues with adaptors, seemingly getting too warm and failing when streaming). They work very well, never fail and can cope with HD streaming at the same time as large downloads. I use them to stream video from the PC > wireless router > PS3 (wirelessly) > TV.
My Aego 2 on the PC crackles a little more when moving the volume control but has only very minor additional background noise/hiss when playing - I can live with it.
AEJim:I use them to stream video from the PC > wireless router > PS3 (wirelessly) > TV.
AEJim, where do the wallplugs come into play in this setup?
AEJim, where do the wallplugs come into play in this setup?
AlmaataKZ:
Better to dig out an old thread if it is exactly on the subject than to start a new one?
I am considering a Squeezebox Touch (or similar) for a bedroom system and want it to play music from my mac wihich is in the main room. Having tried wireless streaming before in my flat between computers I know sound drops out a lot so this kind of killed the Squeezebox opton - until somebody reminded me of ethernet over mains. (wired ethernet network is not an option)
So, if I am to try Squeezebox connected ethernet - mains - ethernet - mac, which products (ethernet-mains) should I look at? From your experience, which one works better/worth?
I hope, if these products are any good i.e. adequate, there should be no real issues with degrading sound in the rest of the music system(s).
Woudl appreciate your help.
I use a couple of homeplugs as wireless won't hack it to all of the rooms in my house and it works fine for me. I cannot hear anything different on my hifi if I turn them on. If you are worried about this then there are any number of people waiting to take your money for marvellous filters and mains cables, but I spend your money on something else.
Better to dig out an old thread if it is exactly on the subject than to start a new one?
I am considering a Squeezebox Touch (or similar) for a bedroom system and want it to play music from my mac wihich is in the main room. Having tried wireless streaming before in my flat between computers I know sound drops out a lot so this kind of killed the Squeezebox opton - until somebody reminded me of ethernet over mains. (wired ethernet network is not an option)
So, if I am to try Squeezebox connected ethernet - mains - ethernet - mac, which products (ethernet-mains) should I look at? From your experience, which one works better/worth?
I hope, if these products are any good i.e. adequate, there should be no real issues with degrading sound in the rest of the music system(s).
Woudl appreciate your help.
I use a couple of homeplugs as wireless won't hack it to all of the rooms in my house and it works fine for me. I cannot hear anything different on my hifi if I turn them on. If you are worried about this then there are any number of people waiting to take your money for marvellous filters and mains cables, but I spend your money on something else.
hammill:If you are worried about this then there are any number of people waiting to take your money for marvellous filters and mains cables, but I spend your money on something else.
Hammill the fraudster?
Hammill the fraudster?
SnowyJohn:
hammill:If you are worried about this then there are any number of people waiting to take your money for marvellous filters and mains cables, but I spend your money on something else.
Hammill the fraudster?
Whoops, missing the word would from that sentence.
hammill:If you are worried about this then there are any number of people waiting to take your money for marvellous filters and mains cables, but I spend your money on something else.
Hammill the fraudster?
Whoops, missing the word would from that sentence.
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SnowyJohn:
AEJim:I use them to stream video from the PC > wireless router > PS3 (wirelessly) > TV.
AEJim, where do the wallplugs come into play in this setup?
I'll rephrase!
PC > ethernet cable > Wallplug (on 2nd floor) > Wallplug (on 1st floor) > ethernet cable > O2 Wireless router > PS3 (wirelessly) > TV (HDMI). Phew!
AEJim:I use them to stream video from the PC > wireless router > PS3 (wirelessly) > TV.
AEJim, where do the wallplugs come into play in this setup?
I'll rephrase!
PC > ethernet cable > Wallplug (on 2nd floor) > Wallplug (on 1st floor) > ethernet cable > O2 Wireless router > PS3 (wirelessly) > TV (HDMI). Phew!
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Oh, and with Hi-Fi in the old house (not set anything up in new place yet) my AVI CD/Amp combo in the same room as the router and 1 Wallplug exhibited no problems/hiss/noise through AE1mkIII/Reference 1's wired with Chord Epic and Anthem cables*
*cannot guarantee same results for everyone.
*cannot guarantee same results for everyone.
AEJim:SnowyJohn:
AEJim:I use them to stream video from the PC > wireless router > PS3 (wirelessly) > TV.
AEJim, where do the wallplugs come into play in this setup?
I'll rephrase!
PC > ethernet cable > Wallplug (on 2nd floor) > Wallplug (on 1st floor) > ethernet cable > O2 Wireless router > PS3 (wirelessly) > TV (HDMI). Phew!
Gotcha... still, you're streaming HD content (presumably from the pc which is transcoding the video) to the PS3 over a wired + G-wireless connection, 54mbps effective.
Wall plugs would no doubt introduce a lot of HF noise into system (the conductors covering the breadth of your house are after all effectively antennas), but providing the SNR (signal to noise ratio) remains high enough, I would expect little difference once the digital signal is converted. But then again, I have not experimentally investigated this at all... Switching a light switch, switching something on or plugging something in would create transients on the signal (certainly) but as to the extent of these transients - I could only guess.
AEJim:I use them to stream video from the PC > wireless router > PS3 (wirelessly) > TV.
AEJim, where do the wallplugs come into play in this setup?
I'll rephrase!
PC > ethernet cable > Wallplug (on 2nd floor) > Wallplug (on 1st floor) > ethernet cable > O2 Wireless router > PS3 (wirelessly) > TV (HDMI). Phew!
Gotcha... still, you're streaming HD content (presumably from the pc which is transcoding the video) to the PS3 over a wired + G-wireless connection, 54mbps effective.
Wall plugs would no doubt introduce a lot of HF noise into system (the conductors covering the breadth of your house are after all effectively antennas), but providing the SNR (signal to noise ratio) remains high enough, I would expect little difference once the digital signal is converted. But then again, I have not experimentally investigated this at all... Switching a light switch, switching something on or plugging something in would create transients on the signal (certainly) but as to the extent of these transients - I could only guess.
Thanks, guys.
so far:
- Netgear
- Wallplug (si that a an actual brand/product?)
- any more worth looking at?
so far:
- Netgear
- Wallplug (si that a an actual brand/product?)
- any more worth looking at?
AEJim
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AlmaataKZ:
Thanks, guys.
so far:
- Netgear
- Wallplug (si that a an actual brand/product?)
- any more worth looking at?
This is what I have - http://www.netgear.co.uk/powerlinexetb1001.php and they work fine for me. Can't vouch for the others!
Thanks, guys.
so far:
- Netgear
- Wallplug (si that a an actual brand/product?)
- any more worth looking at?
This is what I have - http://www.netgear.co.uk/powerlinexetb1001.php and they work fine for me. Can't vouch for the others!
AEJim
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SnowyJohn:AEJim:SnowyJohn:
AEJim:I use them to stream video from the PC > wireless router > PS3 (wirelessly) > TV.
AEJim, where do the wallplugs come into play in this setup?
I'll rephrase!
PC > ethernet cable > Wallplug (on 2nd floor) > Wallplug (on 1st floor) > ethernet cable > O2 Wireless router > PS3 (wirelessly) > TV (HDMI). Phew!
Gotcha... still, you're streaming HD content (presumably from the pc which is transcoding the video) to the PS3 over a wired + G-wireless connection, 54mbps effective.
Wall plugs would no doubt introduce a lot of HF noise into system (the conductors covering the breadth of your house are after all effectively antennas), but providing the SNR (signal to noise ratio) remains high enough, I would expect little difference once the digital signal is converted. But then again, I have not experimentally investigated this at all... Switching a light switch, switching something on or plugging something in would create transients on the signal (certainly) but as to the extent of these transients - I could only guess.
Yup, I was wary of this when I bought them but aside from the aforementioned extra crackle on my (10 year old) Aego 2 volume control and touch of background hiss I've not noticed any issues. The Aego is plugged into a 4-way plug in the same outlet as the Netgear wallplugs, my Hi-Fi, while in the same room as the other wallplug was on a totally separate outlet via a more flashy 6-way Musicworks plug and exhibited no extra noise.
AEJim:I use them to stream video from the PC > wireless router > PS3 (wirelessly) > TV.
AEJim, where do the wallplugs come into play in this setup?
I'll rephrase!
PC > ethernet cable > Wallplug (on 2nd floor) > Wallplug (on 1st floor) > ethernet cable > O2 Wireless router > PS3 (wirelessly) > TV (HDMI). Phew!
Gotcha... still, you're streaming HD content (presumably from the pc which is transcoding the video) to the PS3 over a wired + G-wireless connection, 54mbps effective.
Wall plugs would no doubt introduce a lot of HF noise into system (the conductors covering the breadth of your house are after all effectively antennas), but providing the SNR (signal to noise ratio) remains high enough, I would expect little difference once the digital signal is converted. But then again, I have not experimentally investigated this at all... Switching a light switch, switching something on or plugging something in would create transients on the signal (certainly) but as to the extent of these transients - I could only guess.
Yup, I was wary of this when I bought them but aside from the aforementioned extra crackle on my (10 year old) Aego 2 volume control and touch of background hiss I've not noticed any issues. The Aego is plugged into a 4-way plug in the same outlet as the Netgear wallplugs, my Hi-Fi, while in the same room as the other wallplug was on a totally separate outlet via a more flashy 6-way Musicworks plug and exhibited no extra noise.
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AEJim:SnowyJohn:AEJim:SnowyJohn:
AEJim:I use them to stream video from the PC > wireless router > PS3 (wirelessly) > TV.
AEJim, where do the wallplugs come into play in this setup?
I'll rephrase!
PC > ethernet cable > Wallplug (on 2nd floor) > Wallplug (on 1st floor) > ethernet cable > O2 Wireless router > PS3 (wirelessly) > TV (HDMI). Phew!
Gotcha... still, you're streaming HD content (presumably from the pc which is transcoding the video) to the PS3 over a wired + G-wireless connection, 54mbps effective.
Wall plugs would no doubt introduce a lot of HF noise into system (the conductors covering the breadth of your house are after all effectively antennas), but providing the SNR (signal to noise ratio) remains high enough, I would expect little difference once the digital signal is converted. But then again, I have not experimentally investigated this at all... Switching a light switch, switching something on or plugging something in would create transients on the signal (certainly) but as to the extent of these transients - I could only guess.
Yup, I was wary of this when I bought them but aside from the aforementioned extra crackle on my (10 year old) Aego 2 volume control and touch of background hiss I've not noticed any issues. The Aego is plugged into a 4-way plug in the same outlet as the Netgear wallplugs, my Hi-Fi, while in the same room as the other wallplug was on a totally separate outlet via a more flashy 6-way Musicworks plug and exhibited no extra noise.
I've started using some Linksys Powerline homeplugs and have no problems. One adapter is plugged into a socket away from all my kit (which is plugged into two Tacimas).
AEJim:I use them to stream video from the PC > wireless router > PS3 (wirelessly) > TV.
AEJim, where do the wallplugs come into play in this setup?
I'll rephrase!
PC > ethernet cable > Wallplug (on 2nd floor) > Wallplug (on 1st floor) > ethernet cable > O2 Wireless router > PS3 (wirelessly) > TV (HDMI). Phew!
Gotcha... still, you're streaming HD content (presumably from the pc which is transcoding the video) to the PS3 over a wired + G-wireless connection, 54mbps effective.
Wall plugs would no doubt introduce a lot of HF noise into system (the conductors covering the breadth of your house are after all effectively antennas), but providing the SNR (signal to noise ratio) remains high enough, I would expect little difference once the digital signal is converted. But then again, I have not experimentally investigated this at all... Switching a light switch, switching something on or plugging something in would create transients on the signal (certainly) but as to the extent of these transients - I could only guess.
Yup, I was wary of this when I bought them but aside from the aforementioned extra crackle on my (10 year old) Aego 2 volume control and touch of background hiss I've not noticed any issues. The Aego is plugged into a 4-way plug in the same outlet as the Netgear wallplugs, my Hi-Fi, while in the same room as the other wallplug was on a totally separate outlet via a more flashy 6-way Musicworks plug and exhibited no extra noise.
I've started using some Linksys Powerline homeplugs and have no problems. One adapter is plugged into a socket away from all my kit (which is plugged into two Tacimas).
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