Dunkirk on 4k

[Blacksabbath25]

Anyone brought this film and what did you think about it .

I thought it’s no saving private ryen kind of a film it’s quite an odd film which sticks to history it’s not really an action film even though there is some action but dulled down action it’s hard to explain .

i liked the spitefire and ME 109Es scenes the sound was amazing a specially the ME 109Es scoping up the air with that winery sounds they make when they dive but apart from those scenes there was not much talking in the film I felt it lacked something but not sure what .

 

[bigboss]

I watched it on Empire IMAX. Can't say I enjoyed it. Certainly not worthy of a second watch for me.

 

[plastic penguin]

Ahem.

Look

 

[jjbomber]

Ahem.

Look

so the blu-ray isn’t very good according to BS, the cinema was poor according to B.B., the stream was rubbish according to you and the in flight movie was pathetic according to me. Proof that whatever the format, you can’t polish a turd.

 

[plastic penguin]

you can’t polish a turd.

You can polish a Richard III... but it don't shine too well.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

I see you hate the film I wasn’t sure what to make of it to be honest I brought it because I like anything about the Second World War and I specially like anything to do with aircraft but I was disappointed by the lack of soundtrack to do with the spitefire as you should of hard that lovely marlin engine like you could in a film call pearl harbour .

the ME 109Es sounded lovely in the film

they say that the British soldiers on the beach that day blamed the RAF for not supporting them as they were no were to be seen at that time but they were busy fighting them selfs and obviously at that time it was the start of World war 2 so the Germans were sinking all of the supply ships and using the U- boats to sink all shipping to great effect to cut us off with supplies

anyway I think the film did lack scale and in some parts of the film where the spitefire was running out of fuel and the pilot said I’ve got 40 mins of fuel left next thing was it was night time and then the next day he still had fuel left it didn’t make sense the other thing is he would of run out of amo in his spitefire after 2 or 3 bursts and I am also sure that the MK1 spitefire never had the extra fuel tank till a bit later in the war .

conclusion is it was ok but I wished now I brought it on blu-ray and not on 4k as £25 is a lot for an ok film i do think the film has been hype up

 

[plastic penguin]

Let's get the film into some sort of context. It was okayish if you are into fantasy films. Although based on true events (May/June 1940), the characters names were fictional, there was no depth to the film; story was weak and mainly concentrated on the beaches.

The film had a budget of 100 million USDs (around £80 million). For that investment it was inadequate and pi## poor.

By contrast, Alex Holme's three-part docudrama cost around £2 million back in 2004, and it had all the cinematic attributes Nolan film doesn't get close to: Tension, desperation, conflict in the Cabinet and between the French and British field generals. You even see Members of the Coldstream guards shoot their own men.

That DVD (standard definition) is currently for sale for around £7.

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

Messerschmidt BF109s didn't make "whiney" sounds when they dived. Junkers JU-87 "Stukas" did though. "Jericho Trumpets" (sirens to you and me) were fitted to increase the psychological impact of dive bombing.

Carry on.

 

[plastic penguin]

Indeed benedict.

 

[plastic penguin]

I see you hate the film I wasn’t sure what to make of it to be honest I brought it because I like anything about the Second World War and I specially like anything to do with aircraft but I was disappointed by the lack of soundtrack to do with the spitefire as you should of hard that lovely marlin engine like you could in a film call pearl harbour .

the ME 109Es sounded lovely in the film

they say that the British soldiers on the beach that day blamed the RAF for not supporting them as they were no were to be seen at that time but they were busy fighting them selfs and obviously at that time it was the start of World war 2 so the Germans were sinking all of the supply ships and using the U- boats to sink all shipping to great effect to cut us off with supplies

anyway I think the film did lack scale and in some parts of the film where the spitefire was running out of fuel and the pilot said I’ve got 40 mins of fuel left next thing was it was night time and then the next day he still had fuel left it didn’t make sense the other thing is he would of run out of amo in his spitefire after 2 or 3 bursts and I am also sure that the MK1 spitefire never had the extra fuel tank till a bit later in the war .

conclusion is it was ok but I wished now I brought it on blu-ray and not on 4k as £25 is a lot for an ok film i do think the film has been hype up

Firstly, the MKI and MKII Spitfires had limited fuel capacity. Only the later marques MKV onwards did they receive bigger tanks, as they could be deployed in other theatres, such as N. Africa... and Britain lent the Russian air force a few Spitfires for the eastern front.

Spitfires used at Dunkirk and the BoB had a maximum 14 seconds of ammo, hence why they could only use them in 2 and 3 second bursts.

I would also guess the 109s used in Nolan's film weren't genuine Messerschmitt BF-109s - more likely to be the later Hispano Aviación HA-1112 or Buchons, which were built in Spain in the 50s and used in the 1969 Battle of Britain film.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

He is a copy and paste....... info about what version was used at the beginning of world war 2 at Dunkirk

The Hispano Buchon, painted to resemble an early-war Messerschmitt Bf 109E, is owned by Historic Flying Ltd. The three Spitfires taking part (two Mk.Ia’s and a Mk.Vb) were all painted in period markings, and included the unusual black and white underbelly camouflage. The rare fighters belong to American billionaires Tom and Dan Friedkin: Mk.Ia AR213 (marked as R9632), Mk.Ia X2650 (marked as R9612), and Mk.Vb EP122 (marked as Mk.I R9649). Interestingly, none of the Spitfire serial numbers worn during filming were those of actual Spitfires, but belonged to RAF Avro Anson Mk.Is. The squadron code ‘LC’ was spurious as well, having never been worn by an RAF Spitfire squadron, just the station flight at RAF Feltwell in Norfolk, East Anglia… well away from the Dunkirk beaches. Quite why the movie makers chose to do this is open to speculation, but a reasonable guess would suggest it was to keep the aircraft authentic-looking, while at the same time acknowledging that the events portrayed in the film were representative depictions, rather than totally factual ones. Therefore the stories shown will be a testament to the service and sacrifice of all involved, rather than to a few specific people and units. This seems like a fair way of doing things, and also allows more freedom for the story to combine disparate events into a more unified narrative that can actually be told within the confines of a two-hour film.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Messerschmidt BF109s didn't make "whiney" sounds when they dived. Junkers JU-87 "Stukas" did though. "Jericho Trumpets" (sirens to you and me) were fitted to increase the psychological impact of dive bombing.

Carry on.

I thought the Messerschmitt 109S was the the first Messerschmitt to be built in 1935 before world war 2 and the sound comes from the intakes when they dive

 

[Blacksabbath25]

I see you hate the film I wasn’t sure what to make of it to be honest I brought it because I like anything about the Second World War and I specially like anything to do with aircraft but I was disappointed by the lack of soundtrack to do with the spitefire as you should of hard that lovely marlin engine like you could in a film call pearl harbour .

the ME 109Es sounded lovely in the film

they say that the British soldiers on the beach that day blamed the RAF for not supporting them as they were no were to be seen at that time but they were busy fighting them selfs and obviously at that time it was the start of World war 2 so the Germans were sinking all of the supply ships and using the U- boats to sink all shipping to great effect to cut us off with supplies

anyway I think the film did lack scale and in some parts of the film where the spitefire was running out of fuel and the pilot said I’ve got 40 mins of fuel left next thing was it was night time and then the next day he still had fuel left it didn’t make sense the other thing is he would of run out of amo in his spitefire after 2 or 3 bursts and I am also sure that the MK1 spitefire never had the extra fuel tank till a bit later in the war .

conclusion is it was ok but I wished now I brought it on blu-ray and not on 4k as £25 is a lot for an ok film i do think the film has been hype up

Firstly, the MKI and MKII Spitfires had limited fuel capacity. Only the later marques MKV onwards did they receive bigger tanks, as they could be deployed in other theatres, such as N. Africa... and Britain lent the Russian air force a few Spitfires for the eastern front.

Spitfires used at Dunkirk and the BoB had a maximum 14 seconds of ammo, hence why they could only use them in 2 and 3 second bursts.

I would also guess the 109s used in Nolan's film weren't genuine Messerschmitt BF-109s - more likely to be the later Hispano Aviación HA-1112 or Buchons, which were built in Spain in the 50s and used in the 1969 Battle of Britain film.

like I said early mk1 spitefire didn’t have a big fuel range and I was right the pilot would of run out of ammunition after shooting down the first Messerschmitt bf 109e down and the model of Messerschmitt bf 109 before the war would of been the Messerschmitt bf109s which was built around 1935 upto 1940

the sound I was on about it’s more of a whistle sound the BF 109 sounded very much like the spitefire in fact the early Messerschmitt did have a Rolls-Royce engine in them anyway here is a video of the whistle sound .

https://youtu.be/lsjTUuxDzTc

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

The RAF were pulled out of France as soon as it was realized that France would fall. The reason being, quite rightly IMHO, that the RAF wanted / needed to conserve the limited numbers of fighters they had for the air war over England they thought was coming, which indeed did come.

With the limited time over the beaches and ammunition the RAF fighters had, all the Stukas had to do was wait until the RAF bogged off, then attack.

Mark 1 Spit - 3 blade propeller and a single big air scoop (radiator intake) under the right (I think) wing. Mark 5 Spit - still 3 blade props but air scoops under both wings. Mark V was also the first to have the blown "bubble" in the canopy as prior to that any pilot over 5'6" tall would have had trouble closing the canopy, if they fitted at all.

Whilst in the ATC in the 80s I was taught the theory of flight by a Spitfire pilot.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

I live right next door what used to be the Lancaster bomber base near witchford it was a bomber base now it’s a industrial park and the other base that’s near to me is duxford which was a spitefire and Lancaster bomber base which is now a big museum

and then I’ve got RAF milldernhall and lakenhealth both American Air Force bases and mildenhall is being wind down it must be American budget cuts I reckon as it was your last president who signed the papers to close it I used to watch lovely air shows every year until 9/11 then that was it no more air shows .

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

^ I was born in Bristol.

One of the officers in my air cadet squadron had a big sister who was "stepping out with" a B-17 tailgunner based bear where I grew up.

Jim swapped places with the failure, and, as a fifteen year old, flew three bombing raids in the tail of the B-17. The dad found out....

Personally I got to do crowd control one year at the Bournemouth air show. I was assigned to the Battle of Britain Memorial flight. After our half day standing guard, we all got a tour of the planes, including the inside of the Lancaster and I got to sit in the left pilot seat.

Next day I was assigned to the B-17 "Sally B" and got a guided tour around the inside of that too.

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

Anyway. I just bought the movie on 4K BD...

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Saving private ryen and peal harbour where the better films anyway let us know what you think of the film ones you have watched it

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

Saw it at the movies. Just pretend it has nothing to do with actual events and you'll be fine.

Americans think its a made up story anyway....

 

[Blacksabbath25]

That wouldn’t surprise me

There is a lot of people who do not no half about the Second World War as it’s such a long time ago now it’s just a shame the world hasn’t learned it’s lessons when it comes to war

and if there ever is a world war again it will be a press of a button so no one wins

 

[emperor's new clothes]

Hi Black Sabbeth.

We send an expeditionary force to assist the French. Their general's naive tactics saw the Panzers round the maginot line through belgium, burst through the inadequate french defensive tanks and circle round behind to cut our lads off. A film about an ignomious defeat is always going to be a challenge but I have bought it on standard BluRay to watch over Xmas. I liked the original B&W 1958 movie - guess was still fresh in the mind and was alegedly accurate. My great uncle was a Suffolk boat builder who was on one of the "little ships" As a kid, I remember him telling my dad about the horrendous noise of the diving Stukas. My dad also experienced them as a REME electronics engineer tasked with calibrating and maintaining the south coast radar stations during the Battle of britain.

Not yet sure about upgrading to a 4K player - especially in light of the reviews of discs on here. Only disc played so far on new telly was Celebration Day. 10th aniversary of the O2 concert was on 10th. Dec and 45 years since seeing Led Zep live in Brum. Great disc for a system work out but annoyingly like so many others, defaults to PCM stereo and have to select DTS every time.

 

[emperor's new clothes]

^ I was born in Bristol.

One of the officers in my air cadet squadron had a big sister who was "stepping out with" a B-17 tailgunner based bear where I grew up.

Jim swapped places with the failure, and, as a fifteen year old, flew three bombing raids in the tail of the B-17. The dad found out....

Personally I got to do crowd control one year at the Bournemouth air show. I was assigned to the Battle of Britain Memorial flight. After our half day standing guard, we all got a tour of the planes, including the inside of the Lancaster and I got to sit in the left pilot seat.

Next day I was assigned to the B-17 "Sally B" and got a guided tour around the inside of that too.

Hi Benedict,

Bournemouth Airshow still going strong although the Lanc had technical difficulties this year. Sit on the cliff top each year just to hear those Merlins at close range. The Vulcan was impressive too, but sadly no more. Back in the early 80's took our HS125 to hawarden, Chester, for maintenance and sat in the Memorial flight Mosquito - not easy to climb into and even less less easy to fly, alegedly. Sadly, that one crashed but enthusiasts in New Zealand are now building replicas. Met a retired Kiwi Cathay pilot recently who told me about the project. He has his own airstrip in NZ and his own P51 Mustang. Some toy and another recepient of the merlin engine.

Guess you are in the home of the Confederate airforce etc so have access to see plenty of warbirds. Back then I trained in Wichita and Houston. The instructors were such enthusiasts and we landed at several smaller airfields to see lovingly maintained machinery. My many visits to Texas since were the usual out and back airline nightstops so little chance for R&R. Must be great place to live. happy Xmas

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

There's a YouTube of the new Mossie in flight.

Those must have been awesome to fly.

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

On the other side of US290 about three miles from where I live there's a private airfield with houses down the side. One of the residents keeps a P-51Mustang (the winged variety of Mustang) in his garage. I guess he's a former Compaq gazillionaire or something (Compaq was founded in Houston and its old HQ isn't far from here).

We frequently get buzzed by a local B-17 too.

US290 is also used by pilots of current military choppers travelling between Houston and Austin so we see quite a few Apaches etc as well.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

I petty much watch a lot of documentaries on the Second World War I do also have a collection of die-cast prop war birds from world war 2 like the Lancaster bomber , spitefire , P51 , hurrican , b52 Flying Fortress that sort of thing and my favourite from the Cold War is the blackbird sr71 which was so ahead of its time and I did get to see it fly for the last time in the uk but one hell of a plane .

one thing I think about when watching theses documentaries is Russia could of conquered the rest of the world because back then they were one big war machine and they claimed back so much land of the Germans at the time they could of carried on and it’s unbelievable how many T34 tanks they built back then .