Before I ask the question, I have to admit that I`m a bit of a lazy browser, so if this subject has been discussed before on these forums, I apologise. Anyway, my question is this - have any of the tv manufacturers ever produced a set that just has really basic functions, i.e. an on/off button, channel changer and a volume control? If the hi-fi boys make products that are great due to their simplicity, then why don`t the tv people? I mean, it seems to me that every new line of tvs come with an ever increasing feature count and I know that these new features are supposed to improve picture quality, but what about trying it the other way around?
back to basics
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If i've understood you're question right, most if not all tv company's make lower end tv's, panasonic do a "C" range at the bottom followed by "X", samsung have "4" & "5" ranges, not sure about sony.
Hope this helps.
Hope this helps.
Slewis, thanks for the reply, but no, you have`nt understood my question. What I`m saying is, why don`t they produce televisions that just have an on/off button, a tuner, a channel changer, a volume control and nothing else.
daveyjay:Slewis, thanks for the reply, but no, you have`nt understood my question. What I`m saying is, why don`t they produce televisions that just have an on/off button, a tuner, a channel changer, a volume control and nothing else.
Because so few people would buy them it doesnt warrant producing them in the 1st place
Because so few people would buy them it doesnt warrant producing them in the 1st place
But, if the very basic tv that I`m suggesting had the best picture anyone had ever seen because of it`s simplicity, would`nt this be a good thing, like when high end amps just have a volume control (i.e. no bass and treble controls) this is supposed to result in a better sound because there is no unnecessary circuitry to mess things up. Do you see where I`m coming from?
daveyjay:Do you see where I`m coming from?
Not really.
I want to be able to alter brightness/contrast etc. to suit the room/lighting conditions in which I'm going to view the thing.
Not really.
I want to be able to alter brightness/contrast etc. to suit the room/lighting conditions in which I'm going to view the thing.
daveyjay:Do you see where I`m coming from?
Well actually I do see where you are coming from.
Some of the new gizmos on TVs like wireless this that and the other and USB ports so you can view pictures IHMO are just plain pointless as my mian concern when buying a TV is getting the best possible picture I can for the money I have.
The original Plasma I purchased was a Panasonic 42PW5 which was as close to this "Simplicity" the OP is talking about, no onbard tuner (less chance of any picture interferiance) basic on/off, Volume and input buttons. But IMHO it is there where the simplicity has to end with a TV as I am yet to see a TV that has been shipped with anywhere near a properly calibrated picture and even when calibrated the set needs to be re-calibrated from time to time as the screen ages, so therefor IMHO a TV must have all the required picture settings.
I did personally prefer the look of the monitor design Plasmas before they became mainstream TVs and IMHO the build quailty was far better than of the current TVs.
Well actually I do see where you are coming from.
Some of the new gizmos on TVs like wireless this that and the other and USB ports so you can view pictures IHMO are just plain pointless as my mian concern when buying a TV is getting the best possible picture I can for the money I have.
The original Plasma I purchased was a Panasonic 42PW5 which was as close to this "Simplicity" the OP is talking about, no onbard tuner (less chance of any picture interferiance) basic on/off, Volume and input buttons. But IMHO it is there where the simplicity has to end with a TV as I am yet to see a TV that has been shipped with anywhere near a properly calibrated picture and even when calibrated the set needs to be re-calibrated from time to time as the screen ages, so therefor IMHO a TV must have all the required picture settings.
I did personally prefer the look of the monitor design Plasmas before they became mainstream TVs and IMHO the build quailty was far better than of the current TVs.
it is pure economics. it is not about what the tv companies produce, but about what the retail stores can stock.
hi end hi-fi is a niche market where the customers care mainly about the quality of sound. not many homes have a hi-end hi-fi. Televisions on the other hand are in most homes, and it a mass-market product.
shops that sell televisions have limited store front and storage space and as such have to make decisions about what products they stock. In reality the extra cost of adding additional features is relatively small and customers would save very little by purchasing a tv with only 'basic' functions. To many customers paying a very small amount more for a tv which is packed with features represents getting better value for their money, and as such these tv's would appeal to the mass-market to a greater degree. For a TV retailer to stock a 'basic' tv they would have to remove a standard feature-packed tv from sale. It would be poor business sense to remove a mass-market product from the shelves and replace it with a niche market item.
hi end hi-fi is a niche market where the customers care mainly about the quality of sound. not many homes have a hi-end hi-fi. Televisions on the other hand are in most homes, and it a mass-market product.
shops that sell televisions have limited store front and storage space and as such have to make decisions about what products they stock. In reality the extra cost of adding additional features is relatively small and customers would save very little by purchasing a tv with only 'basic' functions. To many customers paying a very small amount more for a tv which is packed with features represents getting better value for their money, and as such these tv's would appeal to the mass-market to a greater degree. For a TV retailer to stock a 'basic' tv they would have to remove a standard feature-packed tv from sale. It would be poor business sense to remove a mass-market product from the shelves and replace it with a niche market item.
I'm with Daveyjay on this one. I'm not convinced that people really want a lot of the features that are being added.
If someone made a simple 46 inch TV with Kuro level picture and good sound for £1000k I'm sure it will fly off the shelves compared with the latest Samung with go faster stripes !
If someone made a simple 46 inch TV with Kuro level picture and good sound for £1000k I'm sure it will fly off the shelves compared with the latest Samung with go faster stripes !
but the 'go-faster-stripes' cost barely anything to include. even as little as £20 per tv. (that is a pure guess)
the technology behind better picture quality involves much more R&D and would push the price of the tv up quite a lot.
to get a basic tv with kuro picture quality you dont replace the go-faster-stripes on cheaper models with the kuro technology, you take the existing kuro tvs and remove the go-faster-stripes - giving you a basic version that would cost very little less than the full-speced version. why would any retailer stock both options of the same tv? they wouldnt, only the full speced option would be offered.
what you need is a 'by-pass' button on full speced tv's, which disables all but basic functions.
the technology behind better picture quality involves much more R&D and would push the price of the tv up quite a lot.
to get a basic tv with kuro picture quality you dont replace the go-faster-stripes on cheaper models with the kuro technology, you take the existing kuro tvs and remove the go-faster-stripes - giving you a basic version that would cost very little less than the full-speced version. why would any retailer stock both options of the same tv? they wouldnt, only the full speced option would be offered.
what you need is a 'by-pass' button on full speced tv's, which disables all but basic functions.
Interesting debate, do you think people want the extra's ?
ÿI've got a microwave with about 20 different functions, which i don't use. I have a washing machine with out 99 different programmes, i never use. Do i want internet on my Tv - no. Do i want you tube on my TV, no
Retailers will sell what makes money for them. I'm not sure manufacturers are focusing on what customers want ÿwhich is good picture quality.
ÿI've got a microwave with about 20 different functions, which i don't use. I have a washing machine with out 99 different programmes, i never use. Do i want internet on my Tv - no. Do i want you tube on my TV, no
Retailers will sell what makes money for them. I'm not sure manufacturers are focusing on what customers want ÿwhich is good picture quality.
staggerlee: Interesting debate, do you think people want the extra's ?
The extras are a way for manufacturers to provide differentiation between appliances. Do people want them? I think they do. Do they use them? Probably not. In the last 10 years I've changed my mobile phone 3 times (not a lot by most peoples standards). I always like to think the new model can do more than the last one but in truth I only ever use it to phone/txt (even the camera barely gets used - still want it though).
The extras are a way for manufacturers to provide differentiation between appliances. Do people want them? I think they do. Do they use them? Probably not. In the last 10 years I've changed my mobile phone 3 times (not a lot by most peoples standards). I always like to think the new model can do more than the last one but in truth I only ever use it to phone/txt (even the camera barely gets used - still want it though).
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