my cyrus cdt quit picking up its getting fixed but in the mean time im using a sony blu ray player as a transport into my Cyrus pre2 dacQx and its sounds fuller and deeper and I mean alot deeper. The mid range might not be as transparent but its damn close and ive never heard these proac 118's go that deep. What am I missing here guys about transports? Ive been on the ladder for a while think its time to look at a NAS device I have the storage sitting doing nothing the router 6" from my dac ultra high speed internet just need a network player that will play from a NAS that has all of my content stored full cd rip. Im looking at the cambridge cxn to the bryston but that doesnt even do streaming. Any thoughts Im done with the cyrus transport if a budget sony blu ray is better
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On a more serious note, I'm in the same boat, sort of.
Planning on buying a new "proper stereo" next year, the last one having been sold off when I moved back to the US nearly fivce years ago.
Right now all my CDs have been ripped to FLAC files, stored on a RAID10 array hooked up to a media PC and thus available anywhere on my home network. We've just moved into a new house built to order for us and I had the builders put in fifteen wired ethernet sockets around the house. No telephone jacks, just ethernet. I didn't even want cable TV outlets but the builders said I had to have them "to comply with code" here in Texas. (Remember "Mike TV" in "Charlie and Chocolate Factory" was from Texas).
Since I rip all my CDs to FLACs - on a PC - as soon as I get them home, I'm wondering if it's worth investing in a separate CD transport at all. I might just go for a Cyrus DAC-XP Signature and Mono-X300 Signatures, adding a streamer if and only if I need it.
Planning on buying a new "proper stereo" next year, the last one having been sold off when I moved back to the US nearly fivce years ago.
Right now all my CDs have been ripped to FLAC files, stored on a RAID10 array hooked up to a media PC and thus available anywhere on my home network. We've just moved into a new house built to order for us and I had the builders put in fifteen wired ethernet sockets around the house. No telephone jacks, just ethernet. I didn't even want cable TV outlets but the builders said I had to have them "to comply with code" here in Texas. (Remember "Mike TV" in "Charlie and Chocolate Factory" was from Texas).
Since I rip all my CDs to FLACs - on a PC - as soon as I get them home, I'm wondering if it's worth investing in a separate CD transport at all. I might just go for a Cyrus DAC-XP Signature and Mono-X300 Signatures, adding a streamer if and only if I need it.
Al ears
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Benedict_Arnold said:
Two mirrored and a backup I reckon.
Seriously a WD he on its own is not what I would call a NAS, but perhaps someone on here could help out regarding that.
Perhaps an Onkyo network CD player might be best of both worlds. Just a thought.
ifor
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a NAS drive (my preference would be Drobo; I have one, but it's not a NAS), a Raspberry Pi plus HiFiBerry Digi (running Runeaudio) feeding a DAC of your choice. My choice would be Graham Slee's Majestic DAC/Preamp.
Infiniteloop
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Mike_Schmidt said:
According to recognised science, bits is bits and the digital stream from your Cyrus player to your DAC is exactly the same as the digital stream from your BluRay player to your DAC. They cant possibly sound different. - The laws of physics say so....
Apparently.
Discuss.
True in my experience as long as the dac in question has an input buffer before the data goes to the dac.Infiniteloop said:
Equally true ime is that a dac without an input buffer can sound different based on source.
sorry all I dont know why it replied 3 times...
anyways so I cant use a western digital as a stoage for a bryston bdp-2 I am so lost at this that well, Im lost I thought a hard drive was a hard drive.
anyways so I cant use a western digital as a stoage for a bryston bdp-2 I am so lost at this that well, Im lost I thought a hard drive was a hard drive.
Infiniteloop said:
Not quite. Recognised science (ok my science) would be very tempted to record the digital output from both transports to a computer to see if/why there's a difference. You're spot on that there shouldn't be, but if he's not imagining things, something's amiss somewhere. You wouldn't expect there to be an issue with the digital connection between two pieces of kit from the same manufacturer, but stranger things have happened. Also I don't want to be dismissive but never discount the placebo effect, even if you think you're immune: couple of years ago I ripped a CD from my Mac's optical drive and from a USB drive and was convinced I could actually hear a difference, until I proved I was obviously being a blithering idiot, I even posted a thread about it.
gasolin
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ID. said:
Audioquest jitterbug or the UpTone Audio USB REGEN
http://www.audiostream.com/content/uptone-audio-usb-regen-and-audioquest-jitterbug#Cfzuj2IbaI2JgMPY.97
Back in the day, end of the last century in fact, the difference between cd transports was quite easy to demonstrate and pretty easy to hear. I had my theories why at the time, mostly nonsense as I now know, but I believe the differences to have been real enough then.
Modern thought suggests that most current dacs have much greater resiliance when it comes to signal variations from transports, due I think to the buffering an reclocking technology that is now routinely used.
So, is the Cyrus dac not up to the job? Is it all in the mind? Or is there something going on?
The whole 'fuller, deeper' description suggests a slight increase in playback volume, is such a thing even possible when comparing two digital streams?
First thing I would check.
Modern thought suggests that most current dacs have much greater resiliance when it comes to signal variations from transports, due I think to the buffering an reclocking technology that is now routinely used.
So, is the Cyrus dac not up to the job? Is it all in the mind? Or is there something going on?
The whole 'fuller, deeper' description suggests a slight increase in playback volume, is such a thing even possible when comparing two digital streams?
First thing I would check.
Yeah that's what I was thinking, hence the suggestion to record the digital output from both and check if they null (I realise most people don't know how to do this). If we could absolutely discount placebo (I don't think we can), it remains difficult to explain if the streams from the two players null.davedotco said:
Certainly, jitter, power supply or data induced, has been reviewed as perceived warmth (or fuller sound in this case) and/or a more diffuse sound stage/blurring of images.
This with the reported slight lack of transparency could well be the result of jitter.
I would guess that it is unlikely the Sony BR player has as much attention paid to the audio circuit and p/supply as the cyrus transport.
Some may actually like the result of jitter in this world of accuracy and neutrality.
This with the reported slight lack of transparency could well be the result of jitter.
I would guess that it is unlikely the Sony BR player has as much attention paid to the audio circuit and p/supply as the cyrus transport.
Some may actually like the result of jitter in this world of accuracy and neutrality.
SteveR750
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The big assumption though is that there is a bit perfect data stream from the transport. Highly unlikely, so the data being presented to the dac is different from each source.Infiniteloop said:
drummerman said:
jitter definitely seems to be the new number 1 hifi buffs new enemy number 1. Most people tend to blame hearing differences on jitter nowadays.
thing is, it's very rarely an issue, and the chance of being able to actually hear any issues caused by jitter.
Jitter doesn't affect the sound as you have described drummerman I'm afraid, and it's a myth that's now seemingly getting entrenched in the audiophile mythos so they have something else to blame, and something else to buy to remove it.
https://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?showtopic=107570&st=125&p=905631&#entry905631
in the above link are two examples of a track with jitter added, and the reference track. It's very to hear if the jitter is audiable and should give you an idea of the issues with jitter.
cheeseboy said:
Jitter, above a certain level, is audible.
There have been a number of tests carried out by PaulMiller in which high jiitter co-incided with reviewers notes. I would say he knows his zero's and ones.
It's not 'the new No.1 of hifi buff's enemy', it has always been an issue, just less now with the superchips used but if the implementor hasn't paid attention to the power supply it can still be a cause of alteration.
cheeseboy said:drummerman said:
erm, I did say that
drummerman said:
got a link? (genuinely interested to read)
drummerman said:
power supply isn't anything to do with jitter though. Jitter is clock timing issue, not power supply related issue.
But I do see it more and more being trotted out as to reasons why something may sound different, especially more so with all the computer related things, which is kind of a backwards step as using a computer is actually less likely to give you jitter issues over say a cd transport.
I think you find there are serveral variations and causes of jitter, not just clock related, including fluctuation of power supply etc etc which can be measured and which can affect the end result, depending on severity.
Unfortunately I can't post links (or pictures) but a quick google on the subject (try power supply jitter for one) should be enough. There are white papers on the issue.
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