Well, the first demo's booked. A week long loan of the Yamaha AS2000 amplifier. Secondhand but with a 5 year warranty, picking it up a week on Saturday as I'm in London this weekend. Looking forward to hearing this one for sure.
Just been reading a few reviews and it sounds impressive, always liked this range - both CD and amps so hopes are high. 23kgs so if nothing else it'll be good for a spot of weightlifting!
Might try and organise a bit of a hifi shop visit in London as well - just to see what's going! Staying in one of the Tottenham Court Road hotels, so it'll be convenient for some down there (though they can be patchy).
(The hifi shops I mean, not the hotel I'm at!)
Might try and organise a bit of a hifi shop visit in London as well - just to see what's going! Staying in one of the Tottenham Court Road hotels, so it'll be convenient for some down there (though they can be patchy).
(The hifi shops I mean, not the hotel I'm at!)
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Looking forward to it mate, it's a secondhand one, but the price is too good to pass up, right on the budget, 5 year warranty, local dealer (Audio Emotion in Leven, well, relatively local!) and they've been great in holding it.
Other thing is, the amp's build looks stunning inside; it's 23kgs, and the spec reminds me of the Sansui 717 to some degree, just a later version, so my hopes are high with this one. £1300s worth of amp here, so I'm expecting it to help the overall system to sing like a winner.
Other thing is, the amp's build looks stunning inside; it's 23kgs, and the spec reminds me of the Sansui 717 to some degree, just a later version, so my hopes are high with this one. £1300s worth of amp here, so I'm expecting it to help the overall system to sing like a winner.
once ive heard the S1000 or S2000 on a store.asked to connect it to the br1.sounded a bit muffled .then connected it back to the soavo 1 speakers that were connected to it in the first place...they where connected by thin wires...that were not in the best condition...had a brief demo with the soavo.then...it started to smell like something was roasting...imediately turned it off...looked around...could see anything wrong...so...I fled.
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The A-S1000 and A-S2000 will both be up for consideration for myself eventually, when I am ready to move up to that price point. Very nice amps indeed.
It is quite likely that, as long as they sound as good as the look, my next CD player will be a Yamaha because they are so well made and the mechanisms are so quiet. Another bonus is the SACD support - useful as I have quite a few SACDs.
It is quite likely that, as long as they sound as good as the look, my next CD player will be a Yamaha because they are so well made and the mechanisms are so quiet. Another bonus is the SACD support - useful as I have quite a few SACDs.
I love my ax-397 so no agenda against yamaha.just dont think the s1000 and s2000 are worth the extra .
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the record spot:Well, the first demo's booked. A week long loan of the Yamaha AS2000 amplifier. Secondhand but with a 5 year warranty, picking it up a week on Saturday as I'm in London this weekend. Looking forward to hearing this one for sure.
This could be tasty - Yamaha are one of a very few amps I haven't heard...
This could be tasty - Yamaha are one of a very few amps I haven't heard...
It could well be, one of the reviews I read also covered the 2000 CD player as well. Both rated well, but the CD player less so, apparently it's not so hot with data retrieval off a disc and the reviewer went on to quote a few which bettered it, one being mine, the SA7001-KI.
Goes without saying I'm a) chuffed that my £650 job is able to trade it with one costing twice as much and b) hoping the combination of the two delivers something impressive, greater than the sum of the parts, etc.
Goes without saying I'm a) chuffed that my £650 job is able to trade it with one costing twice as much and b) hoping the combination of the two delivers something impressive, greater than the sum of the parts, etc.
Sounds good
I love the looks of the Yamaha AS2000 and was very tempted by it but I had only heard it briefly which wasnt great as it was brand new so sounded a little thin and then it went away on a home demo
They're big beasts but I like that. They do look gorgrous in that champagne finish with the wooden sides but the black finish is lush!
I love the looks of the Yamaha AS2000 and was very tempted by it but I had only heard it briefly which wasnt great as it was brand new so sounded a little thin and then it went away on a home demo
They're big beasts but I like that. They do look gorgrous in that champagne finish with the wooden sides but the black finish is lush!
Yeah, the black one's smart, but I think this is the silver finish. However, the internals are well impressive - huge build, big capacitors similar to the old Sansui, massive transformer....good spec all round, so we'll see. I'll report back in due course!
Yep, it ticked all the right boxes on paper, as previously said. Saw one in London on Saturday and it's rather nice in the flesh. One slight drawback to my current situation though; it's too big! It won't fit on the sideboard - height and width are fine, but the amp's too deep at the back, even bigger than the Sansui! So, home demo cancelled. That's one less to worry about now, though those Genelecs...
Well, we've got the garage and car port, but don't need the S-Class sadly, and Dave...you're not helping!!
Hi RS,
Sad to hear you had to cancel the home demo; I was really looking forward to your review of this particular amp. If only I had the money...
Have you found anything else yet? Are you looking at 'young' s/h only? Or is vintage still an option?
Jack
Sad to hear you had to cancel the home demo; I was really looking forward to your review of this particular amp. If only I had the money...
Have you found anything else yet? Are you looking at 'young' s/h only? Or is vintage still an option?
Jack
Hey there Jack, currently looking at either new or used via a dealer - would prefer newer than older vintage. The natural lifespan of the product before it needs more TLC is a factor which in fairness I probably didn't consider with the higher end Sansui. By the same token, the junior model is fine and sounds terrific, no problems at all.
There is a place in the States which specialises in the brand, but at £125 for the service and then probably about the same again just to send it never mind get it back again, well, you have to draw the line somewhere.
I might drop it by the service engineer I used before and have him check it out again. Just wondering if the different sound quality is related to the recent changes he made or a problem with the unit. Tough call this one, but it'll get shipped on in time, no question.
There is a place in the States which specialises in the brand, but at £125 for the service and then probably about the same again just to send it never mind get it back again, well, you have to draw the line somewhere.
I might drop it by the service engineer I used before and have him check it out again. Just wondering if the different sound quality is related to the recent changes he made or a problem with the unit. Tough call this one, but it'll get shipped on in time, no question.
the record spot:Well, we've got the garage and car port, but don't need the S-Class sadly, and Dave...you're not helping!!
Sorry RS, couldn't resist...
Sorry RS, couldn't resist...
Fair enough RS, you can only spend your money once. I tried the ex-dem and fairly new route as well, but the thing is you have to be really patient for the right amp to come up at the right place for a reasonable sum of money. That's why I decided to spend a small sum on an older amp I really like, and take my losses if it breaks down. I'll be reading your experiences with great interest though, because I'm still not sure what the smart route is for my next upgrade.
BTW: what's the difference in sound quality you're referring to? Did the engineer somehow change the 'character' of the amp?
Jack
BTW: what's the difference in sound quality you're referring to? Did the engineer somehow change the 'character' of the amp?
Jack
The problem is the right channel on the amp sounds - for want of some better words - dulled, muted, veiled...you get the idea. The left channel sounds quite detailed and bright. Sitting back in my usual position you could hardly tell, but then up close there's a difference and when checking the output on the channel balance it was clear. You could say "well, just sit in the usual place" but that's, as we all know, not that easy now; the scab's been picked, you know it's there!
In truth, having spent about £300 on it, I could have been on the way to the NAD C355 with £50 in my pocket left over, 3/4 of the way to Yamaha's A-S700, 2/3rds of the way to the Genelecs I heard on Sunday, and so on and so forth - you get the idea.
The Sansui amp sounds terrific, no doubt, while the 217 is playing Hotel California and I might stick with that for the time being. Warmed up after half an hour or so, and with a good recording the system really sings (found an early US copy of HC in one of the Record and Tape Exchange shops and it's a winner). But, like I said to d_a_n-1979 on another thread, I know the 752s have better in them than the 217 brings out.
I get the idea with the older kit, and in fairness too, there is a shop in Edinburgh called Retro Reproduction that I really rate. The guy in there (Graham) has let me try out various bits of kit over recent years, but I began to feel the more I tried out various amps and not bought any of them he might get a bit cheesed off, however, they do have some bits in that I might be keen to try - assuming I'm still welcome through the door!
In truth, having spent about £300 on it, I could have been on the way to the NAD C355 with £50 in my pocket left over, 3/4 of the way to Yamaha's A-S700, 2/3rds of the way to the Genelecs I heard on Sunday, and so on and so forth - you get the idea.
The Sansui amp sounds terrific, no doubt, while the 217 is playing Hotel California and I might stick with that for the time being. Warmed up after half an hour or so, and with a good recording the system really sings (found an early US copy of HC in one of the Record and Tape Exchange shops and it's a winner). But, like I said to d_a_n-1979 on another thread, I know the 752s have better in them than the 217 brings out.
I get the idea with the older kit, and in fairness too, there is a shop in Edinburgh called Retro Reproduction that I really rate. The guy in there (Graham) has let me try out various bits of kit over recent years, but I began to feel the more I tried out various amps and not bought any of them he might get a bit cheesed off, however, they do have some bits in that I might be keen to try - assuming I'm still welcome through the door!
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RS, out of interest, do you think going back to a Marantz amp would work for you, or is the AU217 sounding better than the PM6010 KI did?
The route back to the 6010KI isn't the way to go in this set-up Matt; too dry and clinical and that rules out the Audio Analogue Puccini SE which was even drier (and one of the amps I tried from Graham at the time...groan, sorry Retro guys!!).
The 217 is the minimum I'd take with this set-up, so anything that tops it would need to be a serious step-up. I get the impression budget amps would be a sideways move here. Either that, or the previous owner who had it serviced had the job done with some hi-grade components...!
But a U-turn to the 6010 is out, that much is clear (that's at least one certainty then)!
The 217 is the minimum I'd take with this set-up, so anything that tops it would need to be a serious step-up. I get the impression budget amps would be a sideways move here. Either that, or the previous owner who had it serviced had the job done with some hi-grade components...!
But a U-turn to the 6010 is out, that much is clear (that's at least one certainty then)!
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