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Wierd, sounds seems to have changed!

moon

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I've had the MF DAC II for a while how, now I hope it's not my hearing,but over the last few days sound I enjoyed has gone. I like precise, detailed and fluent sounds. Every time I play a tune it sounds distant, almost like it has a very slight reverb, muddled in some places certainly not that accurate.

The speaker position hasn't been changed. Cabling has been checked.

Please help .... any suggestions welcome.

:cry:
 

moon

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plastic penguin said:
Mr. Moon, Sir - have you tried unplugging and cleaning the cables (i/c & speaker). I usually do this with pretty good results.

How long have you had the DAC?
Thanks Mr PP,

have unplugged all cabling, and checked and reconnected....

Have had the DaC for over 10 days now I guess. 6 hours a day ..min...

I suppose I could have a cold coming on but feel fine..

Really annoying... ever happened to you?
 

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moon said:
plastic penguin said:
Mr. Moon, Sir - have you tried unplugging and cleaning the cables (i/c & speaker). I usually do this with pretty good results.

How long have you had the DAC?
Thanks Mr PP,

have unplugged all cabling, and checked and reconnected....

Have had the DaC for over 10 days now I guess. 6 hours a day ..min...

I suppose I could have a cold coming on but feel fine..

Really annoying... ever happened to you?
Not exactly - the sound does, however, change with the time of day. Generally sounds better in the evenings as I'm winding down.

Could be, though, the DAC hasn't fully run-in. That's the only logical explanation. Sorry.
 

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Moon, I'm sorry things seem to be on the wane (sorry!).

I agree with PP, as the things that I've found to have an effect are:

- Mood. Don't underestimate the effect that this can have.
- Time of day, due to the quality of mains.
- Possible break in period of Dac.
- Bee in bonnet. This is where you drive yourself so crazy analyzing, that you stop listening/enjoying.
- Quality of recording. If listening to a lot of poor recordings, it can skew your perception.
- Room. A door left open behind the speakers, or curtains that are open/shut.

Sometimes, if you don't listen for a week (but leave the system playing quietly), when you come back, the sound has miraculously returned.

Let us know how things go.

Cno
 

moon

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CnoEvil said:
Moon, I'm sorry things seem to be on the wane (sorry!). I agree with PP, as the things that I've found to have an effect are: - Mood. Don't underestimate the effect that this can have. - Time of day, due to the quality of mains. - Possible break in period of Dac. - Bee in bonnet. This is where you drive yourself so crazy analyzing, that you stop listening/enjoying. - Quality of recording. If listening to a lot of poor recordings, it can skew your perception. - Room. A door left open behind the speakers, or curtains that are open/shut. Sometimes, if you don't listen for a week (but leave the system playing quietly), when you come back, the sound has miraculously returned. Let us know how things go. Cno
Well I have given it another listen, and well, things sound muddled, congested even on some fast electronic music.

At the moment, my car Stereo system sounds better...... :O

I think I know the reason though and it could be down to the increased bass response from adding the DAC. Things sound good on slow acoustic type music, but add any amount of bass and tempo and think I have a bass hump. The BX2's actually go quite low and I think my room acoustics might not be doing any favours. Cluttering up the midrange ( sin of all sins.) I've tried the bungs and things improve but not enough.

Time for a think.... me thinks
 

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You may be onto something....boomy bass can make the sound muddy, and as your Dac hits its stride, bass may have increased.

- Can you move the speakers further away from walls and corners.
- Do you use small amounts of blu-tak between speaker and stand.
- Do you have suspended wooden floors.
- Are the stands well spiked into the floor and totally stable/level.
- Are your components plugged directly into the wall socket.
- Are the tweeters at ear height when seated.

If you get the bass right, things may well come round.
 
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I recommend popping out for a couple in your local beer garden then go home and have a good listen.
 

moon

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CnoEvil said:
You may be onto something....boomy bass can make the sound muddy, and as your Dac hits its stride, bass may have increased. - Can you move the speakers further away from walls and corners. - Do you use small amounts of blu-tak between speaker and stand. - Do you have suspended wooden floors. - Are the stands well spiked into the floor and totally stable/level. - Are your components plugged directly into the wall socket. - Are the tweeters at ear height when seated. If you get the bass right, things may well come round.
speakers have little movement , I have wood on concrete with a rug, not enough sockets in wall to plug directly in .
 

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I had the exact same experience as you but with the Arcam Rdac.

At first it sounded great and then after a while the sound became worse and stayed that way. I sold it.
 

moon

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Cypher said:
I had the exact same experience as you but with the Arcam Rdac.

At first it sounded great and then after a while the sound became worse and stayed that way. I sold it.
Cypher, I think it is a bass issue in my room, not the DAC Which I think is great value for money. Goin to give it a week and see where I am.

Bass, grr.
 

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moon said:
I think it is a bass issue in my room, not the DAC . Goin to give it a week and see where I am
I would say you are probably right, which means the solution lies in speaker positioning/isolation and acoustic measures.

When you say your speakers "have little movement", do you mean stability-wise or positionally- wise?
 

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CnoEvil said:
moon said:
I think it is a bass issue in my room, not the DAC . Goin to give it a week and see where I am
I would say you are probably right, which means the solution lies in speaker positioning/isolation and acoustic measures. When you say your speakers "have little movement", do you mean stability-wise or positionally- wise?
The speakers are very stable, I meant there is little flexibility in positioning unfortunaty. Just going to listen to the radio for a few days then get back to it with a fresh outlook.

Thanks for the help
 

paradiziac

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What about moving the listening position? -- if you're on the back wall opposite the speakers you may have more bass boom.
 

moon

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paradiziac said:
What about moving the listening position? -- if you're on the back wall opposite the speakers you may have more bass boom.
good point.... can't move listening position either, so maybe a bass trap.
 
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I think your ear's have just got used to the sound of your system, i doubt it's got any worse, the v-dac 2 is new so i expect you have listened a lot recently, like you say, listen to some radio for a couple of day's and then fire it up.
 

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