Why no Harbeth review on WHF?

[krolikgena]

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[Inter_Voice]

Simple. Its not popular

 

[BigH]

There are some gaps in the WHF reviews,No Audiolab integrated amp., No MF, No Creek, lots of Cyrus. OK they can't test everything and the Harbeths are fairly expensive. Seem to rely mostly on manufacturers spending in gear to test, otherwise they have to buy and then sell which will cost more money.

 

[relocated]

I wonder if it could have anything to do with the recent [ongoing] challenge laid down by the owner of Harbeth?

The one that challenges the notion that amplifiers differ to such an extent that they are clearly audible. Prize for the challenge is a rather nice pair of speakers, I believe. I think they remain unclaimed.

:?

 

[Macspur]

There are some gaps in the WHF reviews,No Audiolab integrated amp., No MF, No Creek, lots of Cyrus. OK they can't test everything and the Harbeths are fairly expensive. Seem to rely mostly on manufacturers spending in gear to test, otherwise they have to buy and then sell which will cost more money.

Some good points there, but apart from the M40's Harbeth are pretty reasonably priced, certainly no more expensive than a lot of other of similar calabre.

WHF does tend to review what on the whole, appeals to the masses and Harbeth is more of a niche product...don't know what they're missing.

Mac

 

[plastic penguin]

There are some gaps in the WHF reviews,No Audiolab integrated amp., No MF, No Creek, lots of Cyrus. OK they can't test everything and the Harbeths are fairly expensive. Seem to rely mostly on manufacturers spending in gear to test, otherwise they have to buy and then sell which will cost more money.

MF Dacs here: http://www.whathifi.com/search/apachesolr_search/?filters=tid%3A1182%20type%3Ahcmproduct%20tid%3A674&solrsort=created%20desc

MF amps: http://www.whathifi.com/review/musical-fidelity-x-t100-triple-x-psu and http://www.whathifi.com/review/musical-fidelity-x-ray-v8-x-dac-v8

Creek: http://www.whathifi.com/creek

Should also find Audiolab amp 8200, which received 4 stars.

They can only test if a manufacturer gives them a test example.

 

[chebby]

They sell to a mostly international clientele (they won't be found in many UK hi-fi outlets) and I doubt they'd need a WHF? review.

The manufacturer needs to send a review sample to get a review. I assume Harbeth haven't sent any.

Harbeth speakers have been reviewed elsewhere and can be found online if you look. (Stereophile for sure.)

 

[BigH]

There are some gaps in the WHF reviews,No Audiolab integrated amp., No MF, No Creek, lots of Cyrus. OK they can't test everything and the Harbeths are fairly expensive. Seem to rely mostly on manufacturers spending in gear to test, otherwise they have to buy and then sell which will cost more money.

Some good points there, but apart from the M40's Harbeth are pretty reasonably priced, certainly no more expensive than a lot of other of similar calabre.

WHF does tend to review what on the whole, appeals to the masses and Harbeth is more of a niche product...don't know what they're missing.

Mac

Sorry I only came across the more expensive ones like the Harbeth p3esr. Yes would like to see a review or 2 but some man. don't like to send their gear in.

As for balance I would like to see more £500-£1,000 int. amps, why every Cyrus one but no Audiolab, No MF, hear there is a Creek soon, Arcam has just been reviewed.

 

[altruistic.lemon]

I wonder if it could have anything to do with the recent [ongoing] challenge laid down by the owner of Harbeth?

The one that challenges the notion that amplifiers differ to such an extent that they are clearly audible. Prize for the challenge is a rather nice pair of speakers, I believe. I think they remain unclaimed.

:?

The challenge stopped a while ago. There were no takers, which says a lot about the audiophile world.

 

[plastic penguin]

I wonder if it could have anything to do with the recent [ongoing] challenge laid down by the owner of Harbeth?

The one that challenges the notion that amplifiers differ to such an extent that they are clearly audible. Prize for the challenge is a rather nice pair of speakers, I believe. I think they remain unclaimed.

:?

There were no takers, which says a lot about the audiophile world.

No, it says alot about Harbeth's distribution and consequent lack of sales, allied to the current market.

 

[Macspur]

I wonder if it could have anything to do with the recent [ongoing] challenge laid down by the owner of Harbeth?

The one that challenges the notion that amplifiers differ to such an extent that they are clearly audible. Prize for the challenge is a rather nice pair of speakers, I believe. I think they remain unclaimed.

:?

There were no takers, which says a lot about the audiophile world.

No, it says alot about Harbeth's distribution and consequent lack of sales, allied to the current market.

How do you know this PP? Extremely popular in the far east and the States.

Mac

 

[krolikgena]

There are some gaps in the WHF reviews,No Audiolab integrated amp., No MF, No Creek, lots of Cyrus. OK they can't test everything and the Harbeths are fairly expensive. Seem to rely mostly on manufacturers spending in gear to test, otherwise they have to buy and then sell which will cost more money.

Some good points there, but apart from the M40's Harbeth are pretty reasonably priced, certainly no more expensive than a lot of other of similar calabre.

WHF does tend to review what on the whole, appeals to the masses and Harbeth is more of a niche product...don't know what they're missing.

Mac

Naim is also a niche product, yet they seem to have a glowing reviews everywhere.

 

[Macspur]

There are some gaps in the WHF reviews,No Audiolab integrated amp., No MF, No Creek, lots of Cyrus. OK they can't test everything and the Harbeths are fairly expensive. Seem to rely mostly on manufacturers spending in gear to test, otherwise they have to buy and then sell which will cost more money.

Some good points there, but apart from the M40's Harbeth are pretty reasonably priced, certainly no more expensive than a lot of other of similar calabre.

WHF does tend to review what on the whole, appeals to the masses and Harbeth is more of a niche product...don't know what they're missing.

Mac

Naim is also a niche product, yet they seem to have a glowing reviews everywhere.

Sorry, I disagree, Naim is a mass marketed, all be it pretty high end, product that is widely available on the high street.

Mac

 

[krolikgena]

There are some gaps in the WHF reviews,No Audiolab integrated amp., No MF, No Creek, lots of Cyrus. OK they can't test everything and the Harbeths are fairly expensive. Seem to rely mostly on manufacturers spending in gear to test, otherwise they have to buy and then sell which will cost more money.

Some good points there, but apart from the M40's Harbeth are pretty reasonably priced, certainly no more expensive than a lot of other of similar calabre.

WHF does tend to review what on the whole, appeals to the masses and Harbeth is more of a niche product...don't know what they're missing.

Mac

Naim is also a niche product, yet they seem to have a glowing reviews everywhere.

Sorry, I disagree, Naim is a widely available highly marketed product on a par with Cyrus.

Mac

Naim were a niche product before all this digital/streamig thing.. they always stood apart from the rest of the hi-fi world with it's own army of true fans. all this Flat Earth, PraT.. etc. once u mention that u have a naim people always react the same way. they are club by it's own margin. sure, they have to compete with others in order to survive in modern times so they appeal for the masses with tons of more affordable and easy solutions.

I just don't get why it's easier for Harbeth send a samples to 6moons and Stereophile, rather than to WHF or Techradar. All in all this is as British looking and sounding speakers as you can get. i don't believe that they are more popular overseas than in UK.

 

[altruistic.lemon]

I wonder if it could have anything to do with the recent [ongoing] challenge laid down by the owner of Harbeth?

The one that challenges the notion that amplifiers differ to such an extent that they are clearly audible. Prize for the challenge is a rather nice pair of speakers, I believe. I think they remain unclaimed.

:?

There were no takers, which says a lot about the audiophile world.

No, it says alot about Harbeth's distribution and consequent lack of sales, allied to the current market.

What lack of sales? Why do you think that?

 

[Macspur]

There are some gaps in the WHF reviews,No Audiolab integrated amp., No MF, No Creek, lots of Cyrus. OK they can't test everything and the Harbeths are fairly expensive. Seem to rely mostly on manufacturers spending in gear to test, otherwise they have to buy and then sell which will cost more money.

Some good points there, but apart from the M40's Harbeth are pretty reasonably priced, certainly no more expensive than a lot of other of similar calabre.

WHF does tend to review what on the whole, appeals to the masses and Harbeth is more of a niche product...don't know what they're missing.

Mac

Naim is also a niche product, yet they seem to have a glowing reviews everywhere.

Sorry, I disagree, Naim is a widely available highly marketed product on a par with Cyrus.

Mac

Naim were a niche product before all this digital/streamig thing.. they always stood apart from the rest of the hi-fi world with it's own army of true fans. all this Flat Earth, PraT.. etc. once u mention that u have a naim people always react the same way. they are club by it's own margin. sure, they have to compete with others in order to survive in modern times so they appeal for the masses with tons of more affordable and easy solutions.

I just don't get why it's easier for Harbeth send a samples to 6moons and Stereophile, rather than to WHF or Techradar. All in all this is as British looking and sounding speakers as you can get. i don't believe that they are more popular overseas than in UK.

Don't take me the wrong way, I'm not knocking Naim. I think they are a terrific Company producing stunning equipment for all levels of affordability and they may well have, like a lot of others, started out as a niche product, but they aren't now.

You may well be right about Harbeth's popularity in the UK, but from what I've read on their own forum and by talking to people, the impression is that they are far more popular abroad... I wish it weren't so, as they are a superb loudspeaker... think it may come down to aesthetics in the end.

Mac

 

[pauln]

I wonder if it could have anything to do with the recent [ongoing] challenge laid down by the owner of Harbeth?

The one that challenges the notion that amplifiers differ to such an extent that they are clearly audible. Prize for the challenge is a rather nice pair of speakers, I believe. I think they remain unclaimed.

:?

There were no takers, which says a lot about the audiophile world.

No, it says alot about Harbeth's distribution and consequent lack of sales, allied to the current market.

I suppose you have the sales figures to hand? or are you just making it up?

 

[BigH]

Not sure about sales in UK but they certainly don't seem very common, I would like to hear them but no dealers seem to stock them in Essex.

 

[Sospri]

Not sure about sales in UK but they certainly don't seem very common, I would like to hear them but no dealers seem to stock them in Essex.

NameDavid WrenCompanyRadlett AudioAddress(By appointment)
Wimbish
Essex
CB10 2UZPhone01799 599080Fax Emailwww.radlettaudio.co.uk

 

[BigH]

Thanks. Not your normal sort of dealer, very limited range of gear.

Looks like they only have about 6 dealers in England.

 

[Sospri]

I read that a lot of Naim owners use Harbeth speakers, very good pairing it seems.

I may audition some if ever I decide to change my Spendors................

 

[BenLaw]

Thanks. Not your normal sort of dealer, very limited range of gear.

Depends what you call 'normal'. They support 20 manufacturers and they're not the commonest but they're very good and I bet you could set up some cracking combos and make some good comparisons (ATC v PMC v Harbeth would be fun).

 

[BigH]

Thanks. Not your normal sort of dealer, very limited range of gear.

Depends what you call 'normal'. They support 20 manufacturers and they're not the commonest but they're very good and I bet you could set up some cracking combos and make some good comparisons (ATC v PMC v Harbeth would be fun).

Maybe but what cd player Naim or Rega? No Marantz, Musical Fid, Audiolab, Arcam etc.

 

[CJSF]

Not sure about sales in UK but they certainly don't seem very common, I would like to hear them but no dealers seem to stock them in Essex.

Radlett Audio near Safron Waldon are the closest to Essex for Harbeth speakers, I was only talking to Dave Wren the proprietor a couple of weeks ago about them.

 

[CJSF]

Thanks. Not your normal sort of dealer, very limited range of gear.

Depends what you call 'normal'. They support 20 manufacturers and they're not the commonest but they're very good and I bet you could set up some cracking combos and make some good comparisons (ATC v PMC v Harbeth would be fun).

Maybe but what cd player Naim or Rega? No Marantz, Musical Fid, Audiolab, Arcam etc.

You are moving into a different league and thinking and presentation, with Harbeth, for starters its home audition, not mass market, there will be an element of sophistication, all very laid back way of doing things. Mass market and marketing, does not fit well in this sanario.