Speaker cable

[davidf]

Science does not know nor can it measure everything! e.g. experiments done at CERN's Large Halon Collider often result in discoveries that challenge existing 'theories' and uncover new physics beyond what is currently understood. There are many 'concepts' that science has no way of measuring; moral, existential, logical, historical and experiential truths for example. FYI; computer 'scientists' invented the internet and AI... and so there's the rub.

I know, I was being sarcastic.

 

[Al ears]

What did Starmer do to put on the same level as a convicted criminal?

Besides that: I will never understand British politics: why did you gave him such an overwhelming majority not so long ago? Do you think before voting? Or just vote for someone so you can complain afterwards?

Political stuff is not discussed here as it will be deleted at some point.

 

[Jasonovich]

I understand talking about cables is troubling, going off subject, on camera talk wasn't enough, now you try to confuse your inner demons with politics...?

When I count to three, you'll wake up and agree with everything Jasonovich says....Run along now.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Cables are a funny subject

Fwiw, a client with decades of experience and who has a top notch system listened to our Michi P5 Series 2 and Michi M8 amplifiers. To say he was bowled over would be putting it mildly. He commented that our amplifiers, loudspeakers and basic 500-strand speaker cables (all around £25k) “sounded better then…..” £200k worth of very well known and highly regarded amplifiers and speakers. “This sounds live.” The £200k excludes expensive speaker cables used btw.

Cables might be an interesting subject; however, the one constant I have experienced over the years is that basic 500-strand speaker cables handle all manners of amplification and loudspeakers with aplomb, enabling their qualities to shine through easily. State of the art in simplicity and performance and for only a few £'s.

 

[Noddy]

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[DougK1]

Because the Brits are never happy unless they're moaning about something, even if it is beyond our control. If there was a moaning contest in the Olympics we'd get the gold medal.

 

[Dave_]

Cables might be an interesting subject;

It really isn't....

 

[Noddy]

Do you think before voting?

No.

Or just vote for someone so you can complain afterwards?

Yes.

Isn’t that how you do it? It’s much more entertaining. Then I can put on some music while the world collapses round my feet. Deep joy.

 

[davidf]

Fwiw, a client with decades of experience and who has a top notch system listened to our Michi P5 Series 2 and Michi M8 amplifiers. To say he was bowled over would be putting it mildly. He commented that our amplifiers, loudspeakers and basic 500-strand speaker cables (all around £25k) “sounded better then…..” £200k worth of very well known and highly regarded amplifiers and speakers. “This sounds live.” The £200k excludes expensive speaker cables used btw.

And we all believe that as much as your other stories.

Cables might be an interesting subject; however, the one constant I have experienced over the years is that basic 500-strand speaker cables handle all manners of amplification and loudspeakers with aplomb, enabling their qualities to shine through easily. State of the art in simplicity and performance and for only a few £'s.

So what turned you off Black Rhodium? You used to love that.

 

[michael hoy]

The public should not be allowed to vote, they do not know what they want switching from one to the other just to show disgruntlement with whom ever is in power at the time.
This is why we never have a stable government.

 

[Jasonovich]

The public should not be allowed to vote, they do not know what they want switching from one to the other just to show disgruntlement with whom ever is in power at the time.
This is why we never have a stable government.

Marie Antoinette said give them cake.
Democracy is cake, real power lies with the elites, it always has,.....

Enough said, 😉

 

[Gray]

The public should not be allowed to vote, they do not know what they want

I reckon most people that bother to vote, know what they want.
Just a shame tactical voting can't ever be stopped.

Back to speaker cables....where's that lady poster that was happy to do a blind test? 🤔

 

[Revolutions]

This thread has taken some incredible twists & turns. That’s in addition on to people disagreeing politely about cables. I wonder if this is a sign of the apocalypse 😱

Did we ever give the OP an answer? 18 pages later and I’ve lost track 😁

 

[gasolin]

And they started talking aboput xlr cables,telescopes and cameras + a combination of headphone and headphone cables

COME ON in a thread about speaker cables WTF

 

[Jasonovich]

Hey don't you love cables, I suspect I'll get smoked for saying, cables can make a difference.
Without cables you have wireless, perish the thought 💭 😊

Cables are the veins that carry the music, some do it better.

 

[gasolin]

You are not talking about speaker cables, this thread should be closed do to,to much not about speaker cables

 

[Noddy]

Hey don't you love cables, I suspect I'll get smoked for saying, cables can make a difference.
Without cables you have wireless, perish the thought 💭 😊

Cables are the veins that carry the music, some do it better.

I was always against wireless, but I bought wireless headphones for walking outdoors, I got sick of tangled cables. And even though Apple don’t use the bigly bestest protocols, I is well impressed. I am quite happy with the sound quality with audio and music, I’m sure side by side tests with wired would show it up, but it is excellent.

I have though seen adverts online for better quality air, that is said to improve the highs and firm up the bass. So I might buy some and see if it does what it says on the cylinder.

 

[GSV Ethics Gradient]

Political stuff is not discussed here as it will be deleted at some point.

Indeed. Seems that no matter how many times people are told it's not permitted they keep on coming. Deletion of political posts isn't personal, and doesn't mean that the mods don't have sympathies with some of the things said. It just ain't allowed peeps - although usually a cable thread is far more bitter than anything political...

 

[Al ears]

Indeed. Seems that no matter how many times people are told it's not permitted they keep on coming. Deletion of political posts isn't personal, and doesn't mean that the mods don't have sympathies with some of the things said. It just ain't allowed peeps - although usually a cable thread is far more bitter than anything political...

Yep, never ceases to amaze me the number of people who use forums to jump on the orange boxes and spout whatever they want without actually reading forum rules and the wonder why their posts are deleted..... Ho, hum!
So, speaking of speaker cables .............
I prefer directional ones. Well I have to 'cause one end has spades and the other banana plugs... 🙂
Only joking.
Of all the speaker cables I have owned over the years I can honestly say I haven't had one that offered a distinctly noticeable improvement over the other.
Yes, the ones I currently have are thick, American, and a tad expensive but I only use them as they were thrown in with the speakers when I bought them.
Are they better than the last ones I had...... Not really.
And as for anyone who buys expensive cable- lifters to raise them off the floor, well I am amazed at people that have that sort of money to waste.
Wish I had.....

 

[Jasonovich]

Yep, never ceases to amaze me the number of people who use forums to jump on the orange boxes and spout whatever they want without actually reading forum rules and the wonder why their posts are deleted..... Ho, hum!
So, speaking of speaker cables .............
I prefer directional ones. Well I have to 'cause one end has spades and the other banana plugs... 🙂
Only joking.
Of all the speaker cables I have owned over the years I can honestly say I haven't had one that offered a distinctly noticeable improvement over the other.
Yes, the ones I currently have are thick, American, and a tad expensive but I only use them as they were thrown in with the speakers when I bought them.
Are they better than the last ones I had...... Not really.
And as for anyone who buys expensive cable- lifters to raise them off the floor, well I am amazed at people that have that sort of money to waste.
Wish I had.....

Spade and banana's noted! 🤣

Yes, not surprised about political comments being deleted, sometimes there's a need to respond out of courtesy but by the same token, I welcome the moderators patience and humility.

There are some sites that will ban you outright but here, they're responsible adults that give you some slack and Respect!

I love my blingy cables from AliExpress, nice construction and doesn't cost a lot.

Speaker cables can never improve the sound quality of the original source but can potentially degrade it, if the quality has been compromised, poor materials, poor RF insulation etc. Thicker cables have less resistance etc.

So yes not all cables are equal. Multi strand cables have a different tonal signature to solid core ones.

Choosing the right cable is about balance, speaking from personal experience, silver plated ones tend to extenuate the higher frequencies and if those speakers are already bright, well you may like it, you may not. We all have a different threshold when it comes to sound quality.
My faux Nordost Valhalla II are silver plated and sound amazing with the Dali Oberon 3s. It's about balance.

 

[Al ears]

Spade and banana's noted! 🤣

Yes, not surprised about political comments being deleted, sometimes there's a need to respond out of courtesy but by the same token, I welcome the moderators patience and humility.

There are some sites that will ban you outright but here, they're responsible adults that give you some slack and Respect!

I love my blingy cables from AliExpress, nice construction and doesn't cost a lot.

Speaker cables can never improve the sound quality of the original source but can potentially degrade it, if the quality has been compromised, poor materials, poor RF insulation etc. Thicker cables have less resistance etc.

So yes not all cables are equal. Multi strand cables have a different tonal signature to solid core ones.

Choosing the right cable is about balance, speaking from personal experience, silver plated ones tend to extenuate the higher frequencies and if those speakers are already bright, well you may like it, you may not. We all have a different threshold when it comes to sound quality.
My faux Nordost Valhalla II are silver plated and sound amazing with the Dali Oberon 3s. It's about balance.

Yes, the Moderators here do a great job although I shouldn't comment on that really.
Anyone who can accurately distinguish between a single strand or multistrand cable of the same sort of resistance I take my hat off to.....
Your experience to your ears is all that matters.
Anyone who can distinguish between a silver plated copper and a pure copper must also have golden ears....
It's a myth, in my opinion.
But that's just me.
Most people will simply buy on colour, flexibility and layout in my opinion, either flat or round or, indeed by name of manufacturers. Assuming you are happy with what you have then that's great, no point in trying to push it to others as they find otherwise.
Presumably you never knew how those fake cables were going to fit in with your set-up before actually buying them......
Personally I wouldn't touch a fake copy of anything in order to keep the original manufacturers in business.

 

[Noddy]

Personally I wouldn't touch a fake copy of anything in order to keep the original manufacturers in business.

But would you buy a so-called homage? A Rolex style watch with Rolex printed on the dial is a no-no in my book, as well as illegal. Thus it can be seized and destroyed by customs, or whoever. However, Rolex coplied styles that were popular back then, so modern companies making lookalikes can simply say they are copying a copy. I have a Chinese watch that resembles a Hamilton military watch, which copied a design specified by the US government. I suppose most cables kind of look cable like.

 

[Al ears]

But would you buy a so-called homage? A Rolex style watch with Rolex printed on the dial is a no-no in my book, as well as illegal. Thus it can be seized and destroyed by customs, or whoever. However, Rolex coplied styles that were popular back then, so modern companies making lookalikes can simply say they are copying a copy. I have a Chinese watch that resembles a Hamilton military watch, which copied a design specified by the US government. I suppose most cables kind of look cable like.

Stop diverting this thread, I would suggest.

 

[Jasonovich]

Personally I wouldn't touch a fake copy of anything in order to keep the original manufacturers in business.

It is a cable debate, shall we just close shop, yeah Ok all cables sound the same! 😜
Let me put it out there, I'm not pushing my views on anyone, merely expressing mine, you're free to disagree;

Anyone rich enough to pay £10k+snake oil tax is at liberty to purchase the original, the rest of us mortals, who can easily decipher what is real and what is fake, can make their own purchasing decision.
I mean there's nothing unique in cable design, Apple thought they could monopolise round corners. Intel thought they can sue rivals using the "i" pre lettering on their products.
I do agree using the Nordost name is naughty

Incidentally, many of these sellers on the AliExpress platform, have severed the Nordost name, possibly due to litigation?
It's a good thing, tying to some else's apron undermines their own product, and these are really good cables.
So this is a positive thing, moving forward. 😊

 

[Al ears]

It is a cable debate, shall we just close shop, yeah Ok all cables sound the same! 😜
Let me put it out there, I'm not pushing my views on anyone, merely expressing mine, you're free to disagree;

Anyone rich enough to pay £10k+snake oil tax is at liberty to purchase the original, the rest of us mortals, who can easily decipher what is real and what is fake, can make their own purchasing decision.
I mean there's nothing unique in cable design, Apple thought they could monopolise round corners. Intel thought they can sue rivals using the "i" pre lettering on their products.
I do agree using the Nordost name is naughty

Incidentally, many of these sellers on the AliExpress platform, have severed the Nordost name, possibly due to litigation?
It's a good thing, tying to some else's apron undermines their own product, and these are really good cables.
So this is a positive thing, moving forward. 😊

i would disagree.
anyone who cannot produce a decent cable that will sell well on it's performance alone should be blatantly copying one that already does.
Those that may have abandoned the Nordosk mention have already damaged themselves by representation alone.
They are, by doing so, have already mentioned someone else can do it better, otherwise why try to copy them?