Rega elicit-r or yamaha a-s2000?

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ashleycox

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Title says it all... I need a new amp, am looking at either Yamaha a-s2000 or Rega elicit-r. The yamaha has more features and I like the styling a lot more, the elicit-r is more expensive and lacking in features.

Forgetting the brand name for a moment, which would you choose and why?

I listen to mainly rock/metal/acoustic. I like an open sound stage with good separation and clarity. Speakers are tannoy revolution DC6TSE...

I know whathifi gave the yamaha 3 stars... though reading some reviews, it made me wonder for how long the amp was run in...

Leaning towards the yamaha because of the price... I'd like an a-s2000 and cd-s2000. Budget is £2000 (2100 if absolutely necessary). Any dealers on here interested in doing a good deal? :)
 

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Its not a bad amp by any means. The thing is its being murdered by the competition in musicality and performance. The looks and build quality is what it has in spades though.

Friend auditioned the AS1000 with Tannoy DC6T SE in a store and found it muddy, whatever that means to him.
 
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Thanks for your replies.

OK, here's what I need...

decent power

build quality to last

Line-level record outs, not just preamp outs (1 set is ok, 2 would be great!). If only 1, then it needs to have a built-in headphone stage.

remote control

A decent amount of inputs (5 is a must, to connect cdp, tuner, streamer, tape deck and turntable)

an open, airy sound stage with warmth and emotion.

Heard the Naim Nait XS-2 and hated it... though I've never liked naim gear. Too bright but also "muddy"...
 

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ashleycox said:
Title says it all... I need a new amp, am looking at either Yamaha a-s2000 or Rega elicit-r. The yamaha has more features and I like the styling a lot more, the elicit-r is more expensive and lacking in features.

Forgetting the brand name for a moment, which would you choose and why?

I listen to mainly rock/metal/acoustic. I like an open sound stage with good separation and clarity. Speakers are tannoy revolution DC6TSE...

I know whathifi gave the yamaha 3 stars... though reading some reviews, it made me wonder for how long the amp was run in...

Leaning towards the yamaha because of the price... I'd like an a-s2000 and cd-s2000. Budget is £2000 (2100 if absolutely necessary). Any dealers on here interested in doing a good deal? :)
Unable to comment on the Rega.

Owning both the AS and CDS 2000. Buy with confidence , sounds superb, superb build.

What HI-fi three star award is puzzling. :?

Have a look at TECHRADAR for a alternative review with a five star award.

But I might be biased.........:)
 

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ashleycox said:
Thanks for your replies.

OK, here's what I need...
decent power
build quality to last
Line-level record outs, not just preamp outs (1 set is ok, 2 would be great!). If only 1, then it needs to have a built-in headphone stage.
remote control
A decent amount of inputs (5 is a must, to connect cdp, tuner, streamer, tape deck and turntable)
an open, airy sound stage with warmth and emotion.

Heard the Naim Nait XS-2 and hated it... though I've never liked naim gear. Too bright but also "muddy"...
I do not have time to look for specific products that fit your criteria, however I will suggest a few brands that do make integrated amps that fit your budget and are also available in UK, amps that you'd want to look at and listen to before you decide to purchase.

Atoll (IN100 and IN200 can be had as new with your budget, or maybe an ex demo IN400), YBA, 3D Lab, Chapter, Sugden, Goldnote, Norma (heard the IPA-70 last week with Piega speakers and left very impressed, it can be had for around 2000 pounds), Densen, Gato Audio, Electrocompaniet, Hegel (excellent amps and equally impressive price/performance propositions), Primare, Bladelius.. and I'll stop here because it's starting to look like a Hi-Fi catalog. :)
 

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I've been buying and listening to hi-fi for a long time and I've been through a LOT of equipment. However, just recently I have experienced a very steep learning curve about the sound I actually like for long term musical enjoyment, enabled by trying a range of different speakers with my Marantz system (which, unlike some of the supposedly 'better' electronics I've had actually does allow me to hear these differences). The conclusion I have come to is that most modern hi-fi equipment (particularly, but not entirely limited to, speakers) just doesn't suit me and although I can be easily impressed by a system with slam, sparkle etc. etc. in a quick audition, the fast, attacking, 'exciting' sound which is so popular just tires me out over longer periods of time and I stop engaging with the music. I'm about to end up with some pretty unfashionable speakers (not in my signature) but they sound gorgeous with the Marantz and make music and that is what matters to me.

My point?

You are considering spending a significant amount of money. Take your time to really get to understand the sound you can live with - the sound which will bring you proper long-term enjoyment from your listening, rather than the immediate visceral thrill of being instantly impressed. This may involve giving very serious consideration to some equipment that has had 3 star reviews, or seemingly no reviews at all.

The Rega Elicit-R is a very capable amp. I heard it driving B&W CM8s. I'm not normally a big B&W fan, finding them quite un-natural sounding overall, but the Elicit-R really controlled the CM8s. It gripped them so well that they almost disappeared. It still wasn't a sound I could live with long-term for lengthy listening sessions, but it proved how talented the Rega is and it might just be the right amp for you.

I would echo Sir Lemon's advice to explore some of the other options out there. He mentions Sugden - a company that, IMO, makes some of the most gorgeous sounding hi-fi out there. One of my most immersive experiences was hearing an all-Sugden system playing Pink Floyd. It wasn't that immediately attention grabbing sort of sound, but the system kept me glued to the music with its natural and beautifully placed performance. I could have listened for hours. I had a similar experience hearing a Unison Research system with Opera speakers, Audio Note electronics with Audio Note speakers, and Vienna Acoustics speakers driven by T+A electronics.

By contrast I've been totally put off by hearing expensive Naim systems (with Naim's Ovator speakers) on several occasions, to the point where I've been unable to remain in the same room as them. I totally agree with you about the Naim sound. I've experienced the same feeling when subjected to a Burmester system of huge financial value.

Are you in the UK? Maybe you should try to get to the Bristol Hi-Fi Show in February. They aren't great occasions for critical listening or making decisions but it might help you to start identifying the sound that really gets you enjoying the music. Then get some extended dealer auditions booked so that you can really test some more focused system choices with your own music and at your own chosen volume levels. Then, once you've started to get hooked on one set-up, insist on a home demo over the period of a couple of days. Make it a couple of days where you can give over some proper time to some extended listening sessions. If the system really keeps you listening to and enjoying the music, buy it. If it doesn't, move on and try something else.
 

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BigH said:
ErwinC said:
matthewpiano said:
I'm about to end up with some pretty unfashionable speakers (not in my signature) but they sound gorgeous with the Marantz and make music and

Now i am curious. ;)

Is this really the end of the road? What happened to the Dalis?

Rather than hi-jacking this thread I'll report back seperately at a later date. BTW, the Dalis are still fantastic speakers. My opinion of them hasn't changed.
 

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