Pioneer SC-LX89 confusion

[FunkyMonkey]

This is described as a 9 channel amp and yet there are 11 speaker outputs. What am I missing?

 

[abacus]

It allows for the multiple speaker configuration setups available, which are fully explained (Including visual layouts) in the manual.

Hope this helps

Bill

 

[bigboss]

Not just that, you can add a 2-channel power amp to enable a full 7.2.4 Atmos setup.

This Pioneer has 9 channels of amplification with processing for 11 channels (you'll need an external amp for the 2 extra channels).

 

[buzz_lightclick]

Not just that, you can add a 2-channel power amp to enable a full 7.2.4 Atmos setup.

This Pioneer has 9 channels of amplification with processing for 11 channels (you'll need an external amp for the 2 extra channels).

Hi BigBoss can you recommend a good (but not Flagship level) 9 channel amp for a 5.1.4 Atmos setup as I am in the market for one now. Cheers.

 

[bigboss]

What's your budget? I'm assuming it's MA Apex you want it for. Denon and Yamaha are brilliant, so is Marantz. I'm not sure about the latest Pioneer which has come from Onkyo's stable. I can recommend specific model numbers based on your budget.

 

[buzz_lightclick]

What's your budget? I'm assuming it's MA Apex you want it for. Denon and Yamaha are brilliant, so is Marantz. I'm not sure about the latest Pioneer which has come from Onkyo's stable. I can recommend specific model numbers based on your budget.

Yep it's for MA Apex fronts and Silver FX rears. Yes I've read a bit about the new Pioneers and only really seen good things about the 901 which is too expensive. The 701 sounds like one to avoid.

Im looking at around the £900 bracket as a stop gap until I can afford something better- must be able to do Atmos and DTS:X. I've been considering some of last year's higher level models vs newly released ones with the latest spec but further down the range. So any Denon/Yamaha/Marantz models you can recommend would be useful.

 

[FunkyMonkey]

To clarify my original point, there seem to 11 speaker terminals to take signal to speakers. So I expected 11 speakers to be driven.

I take it from the hint from a previous post that one cannot use all 11 at the same time.

I don't understand that. Why not just control the alternative speaker configurations via software?

 

[buzz_lightclick]

To clarify my original point, there seem to 11 speaker terminals to take signal to speakers. So I expected 11 speakers to be driven.

I take it from the hint from a previous post that one cannot use all 11 at the same time.

I don't understand that. Why not just control the alternative speaker configurations via software?

i can't answer the technical aspect of your question, but the SC-LX901, which is effectively the LX89's replacement, can drive all 11 channels at the same time. The 89 requires a separate amp to drive 2 channels. If in doubt give Pioneer a call or email, they have replied to any questions I've had recently within 24 hours.

 

[bigboss]

What's your budget? I'm assuming it's MA Apex you want it for. Denon and Yamaha are brilliant, so is Marantz. I'm not sure about the latest Pioneer which has come from Onkyo's stable. I can recommend specific model numbers based on your budget.

Yep it's for MA Apex fronts and Silver FX rears. Yes I've read a bit about the new Pioneers and only really seen good things about the 901 which is too expensive.  The 701 sounds like one to avoid. 

Im looking at around the £900 bracket as a stop gap until I can afford something better- must be able to do Atmos and DTS:X.  I've been considering some of last year's higher level models vs newly released ones with the latest spec but further down the range. So any Denon/Yamaha/Marantz models you can recommend would be useful.

You can't go wrong with Marantz SR7010, currently at £899 from Peter Tyson.

 

[bigboss]

To clarify my original point, there seem to 11 speaker terminals to take signal to speakers. So I expected 11 speakers to be driven.

I take it from the hint from a previous post that one cannot use all 11 at the same time.

I don't understand that. Why not just control the alternative speaker configurations via software?

To squeeze 11 channels of amplification in a box requires a lot of engineering and something has to give (usually slightly lesser power per channel of amplification). That's why there are very few AVRs which are true 11.2 channel receivers.

You can select which channels to amplify via the software.

 

[buzz_lightclick]

What's your budget? I'm assuming it's MA Apex you want it for. Denon and Yamaha are brilliant, so is Marantz. I'm not sure about the latest Pioneer which has come from Onkyo's stable. I can recommend specific model numbers based on your budget.

Yep it's for MA Apex fronts and Silver FX rears. Yes I've read a bit about the new Pioneers and only really seen good things about the 901 which is too expensive. The 701 sounds like one to avoid.

Im looking at around the £900 bracket as a stop gap until I can afford something better- must be able to do Atmos and DTS:X. I've been considering some of last year's higher level models vs newly released ones with the latest spec but further down the range. So any Denon/Yamaha/Marantz models you can recommend would be useful.

You can't go wrong with Marantz SR7010, currently at £899 from Peter Tyson.

would that be a better bet than the new SR6011 at £799? Are there any Denons worth considering in that bracket?

 

[abacus]

What's your budget? I'm assuming it's MA Apex you want it for. Denon and Yamaha are brilliant, so is Marantz. I'm not sure about the latest Pioneer which has come from Onkyo's stable. I can recommend specific model numbers based on your budget.

Yep it's for MA Apex fronts and Silver FX rears. Yes I've read a bit about the new Pioneers and only really seen good things about the 901 which is too expensive. The 701 sounds like one to avoid.

Im looking at around the £900 bracket as a stop gap until I can afford something better- must be able to do Atmos and DTS:X. I've been considering some of last year's higher level models vs newly released ones with the latest spec but further down the range. So any Denon/Yamaha/Marantz models you can recommend would be useful.

You can't go wrong with Marantz SR7010, currently at £899 from Peter Tyson.

would that be a better bet than the new SR6011 at £799? Are there any Denons worth considering in that bracket?

You need to go and listen to the combination to see if it suits you, I personally would not use Marantz or Denon AVRs with MA speakers as I find the sound to be a bit to warm (Marantz) and flat (Denon), however the Pioneer gives a nice punchy sound and the Yamaha a nice wide sound with MA speakers.

The room also must be considered, as if it is bright, then a warmer sounding AVR may be better.

In the end, only you can decide by listening to the combinations, as everybody’s perception of sound is different.

Hope this helps

Bill

 

[bigboss]

I hated the Pioneer with my MA Radius HD speakers (too bright for my ears) and loved the Yamaha. Now I have Marantz with MA Trimless 200 series (which shares its drivers with Silver series) speakers and the combination is far superior to the Yamaha - MA Radius HD combination I had before. Demo your options and see what you prefer. The 7010 will be superior in sound to the 6011. I can't find a Denon in your budget on a quick look.

 

[Q5]

The radius were never a good match for the Pioneer, the Apex are a different story again.

Both a friend and myself run Apex with Pioneer 85's, previously had a Denon and just did not work for me.

As always, demo where possible.

 

[buzz_lightclick]

Ok the plot thickens! - thanks for the replies!

 

[buzz_lightclick]

Does anyone know of the Denon AVR X-4300H is worth considering? I could possibly stretch to this after getting some good quotes for it. I'm not bothered about the Heos speaker, but it has all the features and power I'm looking for. Unsure how it would sound with Apex and unlikely I would be able to demo it.

 

[bigboss]

I haven't heard that Denon, it's supposed to be very good. You can order it online and return within 7 days if you're not happy with the sound.

 

[ellisdj]

Good Luck Buzz finding a new amp for atmos etc. Let us know what you get and how you get on.

I always fancied arcam class g with the Apex, never heard it but cant help but think it would be a spot on combo with a couple of SVS SB 16 Ultras supporting

All the best dude glad the 83 has served you well all these years sure it will serve someone else for more years to come.

 

[buzz_lightclick]

I haven't heard that Denon, it's supposed to be very good. You can order it online and return within 7 days if you're not happy with the sound.

Is the Denon X-4300 a replacement for the X-3300? Because the latter can be bought for just £565 from Richer Sounds.

 

[buzz_lightclick]

Good Luck Buzz finding a new amp for atmos etc. Let us know what you get and how you get on.

I always fancied arcam class g with the Apex, never heard it but cant help but think it would be a spot on combo with a couple of SVS SB 16 Ultras supporting

All the best dude glad the 83 has served you well all these years sure it will serve someone else for more years to come.

Cheers, yes I got 4 good years out of the 83 but it was time to move on.

Unfortunately the Arcams that support Atmos are all way outside my budget so I'm not considering them.

Is your cousin still using the Apex and if so which receiver has he got now?

 

[Series1boy]

The x4300 is the reaplacement for x4200 the same as the x3300 is the raplacement for last years x3200..

i have the demon x6200 and it's a fantastic receiver and sounds great with my focal speakers but I would try and audition first. I am however a Denon fan, so a little biased but have had 2 pioneer receivers and they didn't go well with my focal speakers..

 

[ellisdj]

Good Luck Buzz finding a new amp for atmos etc. Let us know what you get and how you get on.

I always fancied arcam class g with the Apex, never heard it but cant help but think it would be a spot on combo with a couple of SVS SB 16 Ultras supporting

All the best dude glad the 83 has served you well all these years sure it will serve someone else for more years to come.

Cheers, yes I got 4 good years out of the 83 but it was time to move on.

Unfortunately the Arcams that support Atmos are all way outside my budget so I'm not considering them.

Is your cousin still using the Apex and if so which receiver has he got now?

Yes he has still got the apex and LX83. He has fell out of love with the hobby for some reason so he has been using more than working on if that makes sense. He hasnt even been round to hear my kef refs or anything that I have done in the last 12 -18 months really and I have done a stupid amount of work. He has harped on at me about dirac and the arcams and I keep egging him on to get one. He has just started a business so all his money and effort is going there and family which is understandable.