Pioneer Plasma Image Retention.

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I currently have the Pioneer 5090 model. The contrast has been set to low, even reduced brightness. The mode is set to Movie, which has been recommened by other 5090 owners for the first 200 hundred hours at least. Anways, I have noticed an awful lot of image retention like last night for instance, I watched a documentary(on Blu-Ray) about the Ocean Deep. So, when the camera was following the Stingray around the the deep black ocean, it left a ghost type image all over the screen, it looked awful.

Is this normal for a Plasma in it's early life?

Note - The set hasn't been calibrated yet.

 

[The_Lhc]

When you say a ghost type image, do you mean a sort of shadow that followed the stingray around or a static after image that was still visible when you change channels?

 

[Anonymous]

Yes, it was a static image. I noticed that when I turned the Blu Ray off, the image was still visible, even when I switched the TV off by the power, shortly after it was still on the screen. It's light now, I can't really see if the image is still there.

 

[drummerman]

I have'nt noticed any retention on mine. Even fast scrolling white titles on black ground leave no smearing. Same when watching programme with bright logos such as SKY news/sports even after prolongued time ie. an hour, no retention when switching over, not even for a second.

Perhaps double check all your settings ie. Cinema Advance/Drive Mode 1 for Blue Ray and similarely check your players settings?

If none of it makes a difference perhaps your set has a fault.

 

[Anonymous]

A PLASMA with problems........ impossible. They do not get problems..........especially PIONEER. Everybody knows the only TVs in the world with a problem are the SONY W4500 series.

 

[Anonymous]

I will double check everything again, later tonight. This morning, I switched Sky on and put Sky Sports News on. Then I switched the Sky off leaving a black screen. I could easily see the faded white static image of the 2 News Presenters and the little bars of news at the bottom of the screen.

 

[drummerman]

I'll do the same thing later but I would have noticed it I'm sure, especially in the beginning when I was ueber-critical. Let you know.

 

[Anonymous]

That's got me twitched. My LX5090 arrives on Tuesday.

 

[Anonymous]

beaverme:That's got me twitched. My LX5090 arrives on Tuesday.

It could just be my set. All I know is, I am extremely worried by what I have seen so far. Especially for a nigh on 2k Plasma. I am beginning to think I should of stuck with Samsung LCD. I was assured by the staff at RS, there would no image retention as the 5090 was extremely resistant to it.

 

[drummerman]

No IR at all. Just checked. Whilst they are not perfect this really is not something I've come across on owner forums either. I can only imagine yours is faulty. Where did you buy from?

PS. I would'nt contemplate changing it back to a Samsung LCD either

 

[Anonymous]

I bought it online from Richer Sounds.

 

[Anonymous]

Just phoned Richer Sounds in Middlesborough. The lady was extremely helpful, even RS said that level of image retention I was telling them about was abnormal for the 5090 model. Taking it upto the store on Tuesday to have it replaced.

 

[drummerman]

They are a helpful bunch and you should'nt have any problems exchanging your Kuro.

One word of advise from what is still an absolute novice in HT, whilst the move from a bright LCD set to a Kuro can even seem mildly disappointing initially try and persevere. I am not the only one of the opinion that it is one of the best television sets currently available, a visit to the Bristol Show pretty much confirmed what I knew anyway.

With well recorded/transfered material it shines like no other tv I've seen and I looked at many.

Hope you can sort it soon.

 

[Anonymous]

marineman:A PLASMA with problems........ impossible. They do not get problems..........especially PIONEER. Everybody knows the only TVs in the world with a problem are the SONY W4500 series.

lol, Us Pio fan boys do get bit over protective with our sets

No IR on mine yet (crosses finger's, toe's etc)

 

[Anonymous]

Did another test Last night, I turned contrast down to the minimun and also reduced the brightness to low. I put the The Dark Knight on, using a Denon 2500BT through the Onk 876(I haven't touched the ISF settings on it). The result was something I could not believe and only confirmed my worse fears. The IR got even worse, when shooting to the next scene, they were completely littered with IR from the last scene. I am pretty devastated right now, after spening so much money. I would defintely be happy to take a replacement 5090 though.

 

[Anonymous]

Well, Richer Sounds say the the problem isn't a problem! Apparently, and these are the words of RS, IR is common in the early hours of any plasma, despite being previously told by RS that the Pioneer 5090 was exremely resistant to IR. I showed them 2 reference discs, Planet Earth - Deep Ocean and Alien Vs. Predator 2. When there was low ambient light, the IR was almost most unnoticeable but with no light source, you could with Alien Vs. Predator that when the 20th Century fox sign came on it remained on the screen after, very clearly too. It was almost unbearable to watch. Yet, all this IR mess is perfectly fine according to RS.

 

[The_Lhc]

How long has the set been running for now (in hours)?

 

[Anonymous]

It's been used for around 125 hours. Yes, the set has not been completely 'run-in' yet, but I can't see that being an excuse for the bad IR.

 

[drummerman]

I wonder though, after reading your description of the demonstration you gave to staff, if you're just very susceptible to any kind of after image, no matter how short? Don't get me wrong, your set may well have a fault but I have never heard of IR problems on 9g Kuros other than one bloke which was gaming for days on end and fell asleep over it a couple of times. - I might also add that watching any set in complete darkness will show any defiencies. Most tv's are not perfect, this one included plus it is better for your eyes to have some sort of ambient lighting.

Trawling owner forums near and far, it really is not a problem with those screens and RS staff seem to think likewise with yours.

If you are convinced that your set has a fault write direct to their head office. I am sure they won't ignore your requests.

They say the 'run in' period is 200 or so hours. To be honest, mine does'nt look different after a few hundred hours more but apparently the unstable phosphor will settle/burn in so this may make a difference.

Out of interest, what are your thoughts on the tv other than the IR, if you can overlook that?

 

[arashid]

I used to own a 436 XDE (I say used to because it got lost in transit when I moved country) and it was a fine TV. It was slightly susceptible to IR in the early hours, but the problem went away in the 250 to 300 hour period. Even watching Sky TV for 10 minutes would leave the sky logo there and it was scary.

However I have never heard of a moving image leaving IR. If you can ask RS to compare it with another 5090 and see for yourself if your set only has a problem

Pioneer make the finest plasma's (along with Panasonic) and I was extremely satisfied with mine.

I have now moved on to projectors, but that's another story altogether.

Hope this helps

 

[arashid]

also would add that in the early life of a plasma, you need to turn the brightness and contrast down for 300 hours and also activate the power save to lower the screen brightness.

I recall it says that in the manual too. This settles down in 300 hours

 

[Anonymous]

drummerman:

I wonder though, after reading your description of the demonstration you gave to staff, if you're just very susceptible to any kind of after image, no matter how short? Don't get me wrong, your set may well have a fault but I have never heard of IR problems on 9g Kuros other than one bloke which was gaming for days on end and fell asleep over it a couple of times. - I might also add that watching any set in complete darkness will show any defiencies. Most tv's are not perfect, this one included plus it is better for your eyes to have some sort of ambient lighting.

Trawling owner forums near and far, it really is not a problem with those screens and RS staff seem to think likewise with yours.

If you are convinced that your set has a fault write direct to their head office. I am sure they won't ignore your requests.

They say the 'run in' period is 200 or so hours. To be honest, mine does'nt look different after a few hundred hours more but apparently the unstable phosphor will settle/burn in so this may make a difference.

Out of interest, what are your thoughts on the tv other than the IR, if you can overlook that?

Well, me and RS both agreed that I would give this Pioneer another 2 weeks before thinking of replacing the set. I can also notice the green and yellow flashes known as Phosphor trails that sometime appear on the screen. I also have asked numerous Kuro owners and been on numerous forums, about the level of IR I am having with my set. They were baffled, and said that they had never known or witnessed the amount of IR I have seen.

The IR aside, it is still without doubt a quality set. I stuck Cars on yesterday afternoon, colour reproduction was the best I have seen on any flatscreen. Imagery looks more natural unlike LCD and any other Plasma I have seen. I have the Denon 2500BT feeding the 5090 and seriously, I doubt you could beat this set up in terms of detail and colour reproduction. I haven't even fully calibrated the set yet either. IMO, despite my whinging so far, it is the best Flatscreen you can buy. I have a range of films that are quite Dark though, Hellboy 2, Dark Knight, Underworld 1 & 2 and many others, that is when the IR really annoys me. However, in low ambient light the IR isn't that bad, it is barely unoticeably. I mean really, nigh on 2k, this set should be perfect.

Drummerman, also the reason I am bit down, is because I have actually seen 2 other 5090 models and they both showed no IR. Also do you have a Planet Earth? I was wondering if you would do a little comparison for me.

 

[drummerman]

Davey1984:
... I mean really, nigh on 2k, this set should be perfect.

Drummerman, also the reason I am bit down, is because I have actually seen 2 other 5090 models and they both showed no IR. Also do you have a Planet Earth? I was wondering if you would do a little comparison for me.

Perfect no, very very good yes. I have Planet Earth. Let me know what you want doing and I will tomorrow eve after work.

 

[Anonymous]

Well, not perfect but it should really perform a little better than it currently is.

Anyways, Put the disc with Seasonal Forests and Deep Ocean in from Planet Earth, go to the darker scene where their filming at the bottom of the ocean. It's where them weird fish are filmed against a pitch black back drop of the ocean. This is where I have noticed really bad IR. Let me know what settings you have your set on and see if you can any IR or bad image smearing. The stingrays were especially bad on mine, I mean it was stunning at first because they virtually popped out of the screen due to amazing black level which is for the best thing about the Pioneer, but they left a mess all over the screen. Anything with long tentacles would leave IR all over my screen. My contrast is actually set to it's lowest level with the brightness tones down aswell. No lights either 🙂

 

[arashid]

If your contrast and brightness are set to very low then it seems to be an issue....

leaving a mess all over the screen is very strange and I have not seen this with the 2 pioneers I owned 435xde and 436 xde