Ok thanks for that Professorhat, i was going to use it for a bedroom, but i'm going to avoid it now.
Think i'll just wait until Panasonic bring out a cheaper version ( he says hopefully ) of their BD recorder player twin freeview HD HDD in that case then.
So will just move my old Pany DMR-EX78 into the bedroom, especially as the V HD box has iplayer on it, catch up is easy.