New stereo - my consumer advice contribution

BartSteA

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Two weeks ago my 20+ years old Sony stereo set announced its retirement. Since then I have been searching internet(forums) like a maniac to find the optimal replacement. After a listening session at a local hifi specialist (www.hifisolutions.nl) my girlfriend and I placed an order for an amplifier, speaker set and turntable this afternoon. Hereby I write my experiences, as it could help others in comparable situations. Remind that I am no expert at all, but this holds probably for most people :).

My online investigation eventually led to the following stereo set on my wish-list:
- Marantz PM6005
- B&W 685 S2
- Pro-ject Debut Carbon

I bothered lots of friends and family with my quest. The advice I got was that the Marantz may not be powerful enough for the B&Ws, and that these speakers would be too small to provide decent bass. As an alternative I found the Yamaha A-S501 within the same budget, but the B&Ws stayed on the wish-list. As also adviced on almost every forum, I was told to go to a store an listen to different combinations. Although I first wanted to rely on the online reviews I am really glad we actually went.

To summarize, we listened to the following items (in different combinations) in the store:
- Amplifiers: NAD C316BEE, Rotel RA-12, Riga Brio R (we did not try the Yamaha, and the Marantz was out of stock)
- Speakers: B&W 685S2, KEF LS50, Dali Zensor 5, Focal Chorus 714
- Test music: Bruce Springsteen / Jazz

To my great disappointment we did not like the B&Ws. Before listening I was convinced that I would go home with these speakers, especially because they are praised online. We tried them combined with all three amplifiers. We missed clarity, and the sound was tiring. I did not recognise the online reviews at all. Maybe an other amplifier would make a change? The KEFs were a huge inmprovement, with more detail and control. Although more expensive, these are definitely worth listening to. Because a little more oomph was appreciated we switched to the floorstanding speakers.

The Dali's sounded great, very clear sound. The combination with the Rotel was (at least in our opinion) a real good one, however a (very little) bit on the shrill (Dutch: schel) side. Therefor we also tested the Rega, that should sound a little warmer. This difference became clear when trying the Focal Chorus 714. The Focal speakers provided more detail and performed better on low tones. We ended up with two favorite combinations: Dali/Rotel and Rega/Focal. We switched back to the KEF LS50s once more, but decided that both floorstanding speakers were more in line with our taste. In the end, the detailed sound (listening to jazz) convinced us that the extra investment in the Rega/Focal was worth it.

We also bought the Pro-Ject Debut Carbon, based on the advice of the store the DC 2m Red Esprit version. We did not listen to different turntables. We trusted hifisolutions in that the Pro-ject is difficult to beat in value for money. I do however believe that the person responsible for the name of this turntable should be fired.

Our final choice:
- Rega Brio R
- Focal Chorus 714
- Pro-ject Debut Carbon Esprit DC 2M-Red

My experience-based consumer advice: 1) do as everybody says: go to a hifi-store to listen, and don't (solely) rely on internet reviews. 2) Bookshelve / Floorstanding speaker is probably a matter of taste, but our listening session showed clear differences in clearity versus more powerful sound.
 
I bought mine without listening to them, on the back of a lot of reading of reviews.

They are fantastic speakers.

Hope you enjoy them. By the way, carefully remove the grill covering the tweeter (if you haven't already) they do sound better with it removed.
 

matthewpiano

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Great post. I'm not surprised you fell for the Rega Brio-R. I don't think there are many amps as musical and involving anywhere near the price, and the phono stage is superb. Seriously regret selling mine.

Enjoy your new system!
 

BartSteA

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Nice to hear the positive reactions: makes me feel better about chosing these :). We are still waiting for the delivery, so I am not able actually confirm.
 

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A not often used expression - a lovely tone - much used in the past. I still possess an original Brio 3. Lovely tone - just about summed it up. (Not quite powerful enough tho - but still good).

Did the Brio R demo guy like your Abrahamsen ones in comparison?

cheers tonky
 

BartSteA

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A few weeks ago our new stereo arrived (Rega Brio R, Focal Chorus 714, Pro-ject Debut Carbon Esprit). To complete my contribution to consumer advice, hereby a review of our new set:

The first impression: What a disappointment!

After installing we tried a few records (Coleman Hawkins, Guns n Roses, Eddie Vedder). The detail of the sound was good, and the high tones sounded well. The rest felt like being played from behind a curtain. Maybe you could compare it to looking at a smart phone or watch with protective foil left on, but than in sound. It sounded canny ("blikkering" in Dutch). Our living room didn't help either. It is a high open concrete space, and that did not improve the sound either.

So, I panicked.

When I calmed down I made a plan. First, the room should be filled with more furniture, carpets, decoration and everything that could reduce echoing. Secondly, I thought about replacing the amplifier. Okay, maybe I was not completely calm.

So, I started browsing the internet.

That helped. I was already told that amplifiers and speakers had a break-in period. But I didn't know that it was actually true. It sounds like a great way for stores to get rid of unhappy customers ("It gets better in half a year"). On one of the forums (Audiokarma.org) a Rega Brio R owner explained that after unpacking the amp sounds like dirt, and that it takes weeks before sounding well.

At this moment, we have around 60 hours of listening. The sound improved with every hour, and is really approaching the instore experience. The stereo seems to be best suitable for acoustic music (jazz, Nirvana unplugged, Johnny Cash American Recordings). Although I am happy with the sound, I assume there are better options for heavy/produced records (for example the new Muse album). I listened to a few dance/house tracks (e.g. What else is there - trentemoller remix), and heard sounds that I never heard before (in a good way). The bass sounds good (fast and tight), but it is not blowing you away. In that sense, this stereo is not the best option for my old hardstyle/hardcore records (yes, a guilty pleasure).

Fingers crossed that the sound will keep improving!
 

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When i first powered up my hegel 2 weeks ago i was shocked how flat it sounded. After 10 min it all changed so yes is it warm up or burn in
 

radiorog

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When I had a brio r it definitely seemed to be better after a burn in. Some people don't believe in it, but I say they haven't heard the brio r from new, it does get sweeter.
 

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matthewpiano said:
I'm going to reverse that regret now as you'll see in my revised signature.

indeed matthewpiano, we can see it.. remember the promise you've made here regarding your ' signature situation'?

anyway, well done. I like the ' pending' element very much and ' re-building' as close second.
 

dalwen

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@ lpv.....pfffff....stop harassing.

Personally i like to read the (very broad) experiences of forum members that can positively contribute to questions of OP. The contributions of matthew and other experionced forum members are very helpful.

and please go seek proffesional help...i find your contributions 'creepy'
 

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