womble72 said:I saw the MLs in my local hifi shop last night, I'm to chicken to go in and ask how much :-D
womble72 said:I saw the MLs in my local hifi shop last night, I'm to chicken to go in and ask how much :-D
matts said:Bad, rip off price in the UK as usual. $399 (approx £260) in the U.S. £795 in the UK. That's disgusting!
tone said:The motions might fatigue your ears a bit sooner than the b&w [...] I would kinda like to combine the b&w with the Martin Logan's if I could
altruistic.lemon said:The source hasn't been disclosed.
altruistic.lemon said:DDC, given the guy is on the point of buying what by all accounts are stunning passive speakers, why on earth would you think actives would suit his configuration?? Do you not think he knows what he has and wants?
tone said:Listened to the motions through an Arcam A19
They sounded less punchy through a Peachtree
I liked the agressivness of the arcam
tone said:Listened to the motions through an Arcam A19
They sounded less punchy through a Peachtree
I liked the agressivness of the arcam
tone said:Based in San Francisco
Yep toggled the preamp tube on and off . Made a bit of a difference
Warmer less snappy with the tube
I think I liked the arcam A19 the most out of those amps
Oh also played a maranz with those speakers as well. It was good. Ok . Most bland of the other amps
tone said:Ah screw British equipment. lol
Just messin,
Well it all comes down to what you have in front of you to listen to.
Resources
Just like guitars and amps. I own pretty much all I have been exposed to.
Sound is so subjective so just like guitars and guitar amps I have learned to trust my ears and pick whatever they like.
I have heard numerous reviews and I use them as a guide to seek out stuff that is around me.
In the Magnolia store there was the Arcam, Marantz , peachtree, mcintosh, and some onkyo etc... I used those with the speakers they also had out on display. Martin Logans, B&W, energy, and some others which i cannot remember their name but werent memorable.
Maybe some people can argue and are correct that there are better speakers out there for the price but I dont know unless I dont listen to them.
I went in the store with the salesman advising me with the B&W but i preferred the ML motions.
To tell you the truth I didnt search the Amp part as much because I tried about 5 for a little while and some higher end ones to see how much of a difference the amp makes.
This is my first system ( higher end) so I am sure that in the interm I will hear more stuff and gain more knowledge to guide my choices more.
It takes A LOT of listening and in your own environment to get things "right" for you.
remember I am a newbie here but over 25 years strong in guitar, another 5 for piano and violin. So i have ears.
If a speaker and amp combo give me goosebumps, THAT is the determining factor, not dispertion, imaging, response time, and all those sound adjectives.
Sometimes old crappy speakers sound pretty cool for some applications as well.
subjective.
I would love to and cant wait to try more stuff.
oh btw the Arcam is $700 for the floor model which is a pretty good price for that model and amp.
Do you guys like the Arcam A19?
cheers!
tone said:Yeah $700 is a good deal and I really like the sound of that amp compared to what I have been exposed to.
Actually I tried the Martin Logans with ALL genres of music. Even stuff I really dont listen too much to. I brought a bunch of my CDs and overall I loved the Martin Logan sound compared to the rest of the stuff I heard.
yes, HiFi is suppose to not color the sound as much as possible, but in the end it is trying to get different flavors of goosebumps.
So no i dont buy guitar equipment to make all my guitars to sound the same. But I do buy guitar amps for their specific flavor that they add. In guitar the amp is almost as much of an instrument as the guitar itself.
I think it is really difficult to accomplish the hifi thing also. As long as there is a physical medium between the instrument and the reproduction of it other than itself it is always going to color the sound to some degree. Of course I dont want a bass drum to sound like an empty boom or sound like a speaker enclosure but more close to the acutall bass drum. I dont want a tweeter to sound like a physical tweeter itself but the actuall high frequencies of the instrument which was recorded. But still the WAY in which the instruments are reproduced are done so in a different way between all of the different equipment.
B&W might add more low mids to a bass drum sound and Martin Logan might add higher mids to that same bass drum or accent those frequencies more.
i just have learned to trust my ears.
again it takes time and experience to do all this. So just like guitar amps I may find down the line that I prefer a different sounding speaker in the long run.
for now with the stuff I have listened to and can afford the Martin Logan 40s blow everything else out of the water on the goosebump level.