I'm considering upgrading the mains cable on my amp. Thing is, is there any point if the cable on the Tacima block isn't that good anyway?
Mains cable upgrade/Tacima block
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I'm only guessing here.
Though the cable on the Tacima isn't great, nor is the few hundred metres of cable from your substation to your wall socket. I'm not sure the last 2m between the wall socket and the Yacima will make much difference. The cabling between the Tacima and your amp has already been conditioned, and it's there you should work on. Your amp may be fine though and be relatively immune to interference.
If you can get a cable on an 'it works or return' basis you can suck it and see. Alternatively try a cheap DIY cable first and experiment.
Ideally do as Tevor(79 is it) suggests and work on the cabling from your fuse box to your wall sockets first.
Though the cable on the Tacima isn't great, nor is the few hundred metres of cable from your substation to your wall socket. I'm not sure the last 2m between the wall socket and the Yacima will make much difference. The cabling between the Tacima and your amp has already been conditioned, and it's there you should work on. Your amp may be fine though and be relatively immune to interference.
If you can get a cable on an 'it works or return' basis you can suck it and see. Alternatively try a cheap DIY cable first and experiment.
Ideally do as Tevor(79 is it) suggests and work on the cabling from your fuse box to your wall sockets first.
The Tacima is a good step in the right direction.
It does I find gives an improvement that is a bargain for £24!
Further more it shows people how much the Mains feed effects the musicality of there system and starts them on the road to improving it.
Of course manufactures/retailers don't make any money out of this so it's not in there interest to voice the virtues.
It does I find gives an improvement that is a bargain for £24!
Further more it shows people how much the Mains feed effects the musicality of there system and starts them on the road to improving it.
Of course manufactures/retailers don't make any money out of this so it's not in there interest to voice the virtues.
Thanks. I have noticed a difference with the Tacima, the sound has definitely improved. I'll look into what mains cables I can get for the amp.
Mains cables do not improve sound no matter what you read. It can't be done. I'm staggered by the amount of money people throw at mains cables for nothing.
I have a complete Linn system and they recommend not changing mains cables because they do not improve sound quality. Also equipment has safe guards built in for electrical surges. It's a power supply not a signal to your amp
Read this copy and paste artical
Guardian correspondent Dr. Goldacre and his column "Bad Science" which launches a lot of sceptical arguments and includes challenges to th hi-fi community around th issue of double blind testing. Below The KZone makes the following point:
The music you listen to will probably have been created in a recording studio. Even if it hasn't -- it's a live performance perhaps -- by definition it will have been recorded using electrical equipment of some sort. This equipment will have been mains powered. Now, I've spent time in recording studios, and I can't say that I ever saw one that used `audiophile mains cable' to power its mixing and amplification equipment. In fact, I've seen mains leads scavenged from kettles and toasters to power the mixing desk. As a matter of principle, your sound reproduction can never be any more accurate than the original recording. So if you spend more on your cables (mains or otherwise) than the studio does, you're wasting your money.
Yes speaker and inter connect cables can make a diffrance but not mains. This is where you should spend your money.
If you really want to improve your sound I recommend you go along to your doctor and have your ears syringed?
That will save you a lot of money and you will hear a missive increase in sound quality.
I have a complete Linn system and they recommend not changing mains cables because they do not improve sound quality. Also equipment has safe guards built in for electrical surges. It's a power supply not a signal to your amp
Read this copy and paste artical
Guardian correspondent Dr. Goldacre and his column "Bad Science" which launches a lot of sceptical arguments and includes challenges to th hi-fi community around th issue of double blind testing. Below The KZone makes the following point:
The music you listen to will probably have been created in a recording studio. Even if it hasn't -- it's a live performance perhaps -- by definition it will have been recorded using electrical equipment of some sort. This equipment will have been mains powered. Now, I've spent time in recording studios, and I can't say that I ever saw one that used `audiophile mains cable' to power its mixing and amplification equipment. In fact, I've seen mains leads scavenged from kettles and toasters to power the mixing desk. As a matter of principle, your sound reproduction can never be any more accurate than the original recording. So if you spend more on your cables (mains or otherwise) than the studio does, you're wasting your money.
Yes speaker and inter connect cables can make a diffrance but not mains. This is where you should spend your money.
If you really want to improve your sound I recommend you go along to your doctor and have your ears syringed?
That will save you a lot of money and you will hear a missive increase in sound quality.
I.D.C.:
Mains cables do not improve sound no matter what you read. It can't be done. I'm staggered by the amount of money people throw at mains cables for nothing.
I have a complete Linn system and they recommend not changing mains cables because they do not improve sound quality. Also equipment has safe guards built in for electrical surges. It's a power supply not a signal to your amp
Read this copy and paste artical
Guardian correspondent Dr. Goldacre and his column "Bad Science" which launches a lot of sceptical arguments and includes challenges to th hi-fi community around th issue of double blind testing. Below The KZone makes the following point:
The music you listen to will probably have been created in a recording studio. Even if it hasn't -- it's a live performance perhaps -- by definition it will have been recorded using electrical equipment of some sort. This equipment will have been mains powered. Now, I've spent time in recording studios, and I can't say that I ever saw one that used `audiophile mains cable' to power its mixing and amplification equipment. In fact, I've seen mains leads scavenged from kettles and toasters to power the mixing desk. As a matter of principle, your sound reproduction can never be any more accurate than the original recording. So if you spend more on your cables (mains or otherwise) than the studio does, you're wasting your money.
Yes speaker and inter connect cables can make a diffrance but not mains. This is where you should spend your money.
If you really want to improve your sound I recommend you go along to your doctor and have your ears syringed?
That will save you a lot of money and you will hear a missive increase in sound quality.
So you don't believe in mains cables being effective and that's fair enough. Everyone has a right to their own opinion. Personally I'm willing to give it a try. Appreciate your input though, its always good to hear two sides of the argument. Getting the ears syringed - now that is a good idea, think I'll make an appointment tomorrow....
Mains cables do not improve sound no matter what you read. It can't be done. I'm staggered by the amount of money people throw at mains cables for nothing.
I have a complete Linn system and they recommend not changing mains cables because they do not improve sound quality. Also equipment has safe guards built in for electrical surges. It's a power supply not a signal to your amp
Read this copy and paste artical
Guardian correspondent Dr. Goldacre and his column "Bad Science" which launches a lot of sceptical arguments and includes challenges to th hi-fi community around th issue of double blind testing. Below The KZone makes the following point:
The music you listen to will probably have been created in a recording studio. Even if it hasn't -- it's a live performance perhaps -- by definition it will have been recorded using electrical equipment of some sort. This equipment will have been mains powered. Now, I've spent time in recording studios, and I can't say that I ever saw one that used `audiophile mains cable' to power its mixing and amplification equipment. In fact, I've seen mains leads scavenged from kettles and toasters to power the mixing desk. As a matter of principle, your sound reproduction can never be any more accurate than the original recording. So if you spend more on your cables (mains or otherwise) than the studio does, you're wasting your money.
Yes speaker and inter connect cables can make a diffrance but not mains. This is where you should spend your money.
If you really want to improve your sound I recommend you go along to your doctor and have your ears syringed?
That will save you a lot of money and you will hear a missive increase in sound quality.
So you don't believe in mains cables being effective and that's fair enough. Everyone has a right to their own opinion. Personally I'm willing to give it a try. Appreciate your input though, its always good to hear two sides of the argument. Getting the ears syringed - now that is a good idea, think I'll make an appointment tomorrow....
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I.D.C.:
Mains cables do not improve sound no matter what you read. It can't be done. I'm staggered by the amount of money people throw at mains cables for nothing.
I have a complete Linn system and they recommend not changing mains cables because they do not improve sound quality. Also equipment has safe guards built in for electrical surges. It's a power supply not a signal to your amp
Read this copy and paste artical
Guardian correspondent Dr. Goldacre and his column "Bad Science" which launches a lot of sceptical arguments and includes challenges to th hi-fi community around th issue of double blind testing. Below The KZone makes the following point:
The music you listen to will probably have been created in a recording studio. Even if it hasn't -- it's a live performance perhaps -- by definition it will have been recorded using electrical equipment of some sort. This equipment will have been mains powered. Now, I've spent time in recording studios, and I can't say that I ever saw one that used `audiophile mains cable' to power its mixing and amplification equipment. In fact, I've seen mains leads scavenged from kettles and toasters to power the mixing desk. As a matter of principle, your sound reproduction can never be any more accurate than the original recording. So if you spend more on your cables (mains or otherwise) than the studio does, you're wasting your money.
Yes speaker and inter connect cables can make a diffrance but not mains. This is where you should spend your money.
If you really want to improve your sound I recommend you go along to your doctor and have your ears syringed?
That will save you a lot of money and you will hear a missive increase in sound quality.
based on that argument the mains interference will have been added into the recording - thats not the mains noise we are removing its that thats added second time around
they also say your hearing deteriorates with age - so we have all got it wrong - we should all be downgrading
Mains cables do not improve sound no matter what you read. It can't be done. I'm staggered by the amount of money people throw at mains cables for nothing.
I have a complete Linn system and they recommend not changing mains cables because they do not improve sound quality. Also equipment has safe guards built in for electrical surges. It's a power supply not a signal to your amp
Read this copy and paste artical
Guardian correspondent Dr. Goldacre and his column "Bad Science" which launches a lot of sceptical arguments and includes challenges to th hi-fi community around th issue of double blind testing. Below The KZone makes the following point:
The music you listen to will probably have been created in a recording studio. Even if it hasn't -- it's a live performance perhaps -- by definition it will have been recorded using electrical equipment of some sort. This equipment will have been mains powered. Now, I've spent time in recording studios, and I can't say that I ever saw one that used `audiophile mains cable' to power its mixing and amplification equipment. In fact, I've seen mains leads scavenged from kettles and toasters to power the mixing desk. As a matter of principle, your sound reproduction can never be any more accurate than the original recording. So if you spend more on your cables (mains or otherwise) than the studio does, you're wasting your money.
Yes speaker and inter connect cables can make a diffrance but not mains. This is where you should spend your money.
If you really want to improve your sound I recommend you go along to your doctor and have your ears syringed?
That will save you a lot of money and you will hear a missive increase in sound quality.
based on that argument the mains interference will have been added into the recording - thats not the mains noise we are removing its that thats added second time around
they also say your hearing deteriorates with age - so we have all got it wrong - we should all be downgrading
matengawhat
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try these as an alternative to the tacima
serious note good deals to be had - cheap enough for all to try - buy and report back
6way
http://www.futureshop.co.uk/qed-qonduit-mdh6-mains-distribution-hub-6-way-p-709.html
4way
http://www.futureshop.co.uk/qed-qonduit-mdh4-mains-distribution-hub-4-way-p-708.html
2way
http://www.futureshop.co.uk/qed-qonduit-mdh2-mains-distribution-hub-2-way-p-710.html
serious note good deals to be had - cheap enough for all to try - buy and report back
6way
http://www.futureshop.co.uk/qed-qonduit-mdh6-mains-distribution-hub-6-way-p-709.html
4way
http://www.futureshop.co.uk/qed-qonduit-mdh4-mains-distribution-hub-4-way-p-708.html
2way
http://www.futureshop.co.uk/qed-qonduit-mdh2-mains-distribution-hub-2-way-p-710.html
I.D.C.:Guardian correspondent Dr. Goldacre and his column "Bad Science" which launches a lot of sceptical arguments and includes challenges to th hi-fi community around th issue of double blind testing.
If we have a Goldacre, can ex-stage magician The Amazing Randi be far behind...?
If we have a Goldacre, can ex-stage magician The Amazing Randi be far behind...?
Mains cables DO make a difference (And ive tried loads)
Russ andrews has also PROVEN that the braided kind MEASUREABLY makes a difference.
Russ andrews has also PROVEN that the braided kind MEASUREABLY makes a difference.
Mains products make a difference. They just... do.
To the OP, I think you should concentrate on upgrading the power cables going into your amp/cdp first, then purchase a hub later if you want further improvements.
To the OP, I think you should concentrate on upgrading the power cables going into your amp/cdp first, then purchase a hub later if you want further improvements.
For what it's worth I have a Tacima CS929/BP Conditioner supplying my Sony 46" W4500 and the Picture Difference over a standard Belkin Surge Trailing Socket is very noticeable ............... If you've not actually seen it with your own eye's it's easy to be sceptical ......... I was, but am so glad I got one now.
As for SOUND ................. not able to tell with regard to the TV's speakers ............... but I have got a Bose ACOUSTIC WAVE© music system plugged in to it and hooked up to the TV and the Sound Output is most definitely better when plugged in to this conditioner, than when just plugged in to a wall socket, both with & without a Belkin Surge Cube!
As for SOUND ................. not able to tell with regard to the TV's speakers ............... but I have got a Bose ACOUSTIC WAVE© music system plugged in to it and hooked up to the TV and the Sound Output is most definitely better when plugged in to this conditioner, than when just plugged in to a wall socket, both with & without a Belkin Surge Cube!
Try this out and I'm sure you will notice a marked difference in sound.
Clean plug pins and fuses.
Clean all connection pins on equipment.
Try to make sure your speaker cable is not resting on any mains cable.
If you have the time to do this please come back and tell us if you hear a difference I'm confident how surprised you will be.
Of course buying a new mains cable is going to be clean so it should make a difference. But what I wrote above will have the exact same effect.
Would love to see an article in What Hi Fi on this subject and doing tests while the eyes are covered changing old cleaned up mains cables and new ones.
Clean plug pins and fuses.
Clean all connection pins on equipment.
Try to make sure your speaker cable is not resting on any mains cable.
If you have the time to do this please come back and tell us if you hear a difference I'm confident how surprised you will be.
Of course buying a new mains cable is going to be clean so it should make a difference. But what I wrote above will have the exact same effect.
Would love to see an article in What Hi Fi on this subject and doing tests while the eyes are covered changing old cleaned up mains cables and new ones.
Hi,
I did have Russ Andrews Power Cables (which did improve quality by the way) but decided to go down the Isotek Sigmas and Supreme Power Cables after hearing their extensive demo at the Bristol Show.
Highly recomend Isotek
I did have Russ Andrews Power Cables (which did improve quality by the way) but decided to go down the Isotek Sigmas and Supreme Power Cables after hearing their extensive demo at the Bristol Show.
Highly recomend Isotek
tomekay:Highly recomend Isotek
Now back under new ownership - news story being posted any minute now...
Now back under new ownership - news story being posted any minute now...
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Audiolab took over Tag Mclaren.....which wasnt a good thing.
Audiolab took over Tag Mclaren.....which wasnt a good thing.
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I.D.C.:The music you listen to will probably have been created in a recording studio. Even if it hasn't -- it's a live performance perhaps -- by definition it will have been recorded using electrical equipment of some sort. This equipment will have been mains powered. Now, I've spent time in recording studios, and I can't say that I ever saw one that used `audiophile mains cable' to power its mixing and amplification equipment. In fact, I've seen mains leads scavenged from kettles and toasters to power the mixing desk. As a matter of principle, your sound reproduction can never be any more accurate than the original recording. So if you spend more on your cables (mains or otherwise) than the studio does, you're wasting your money.
This is not proof that mains cables do not work. So the studio the author used to spend time in didn't use good mains products...but how good was this recording studio. Some recordings (even on main stream albums) are rubbish, and even if it was a good recording, who's to say that it wouldn't have been better with good mains products.
Besides, just because he didn't see good mains products doesn't mean that they were not there. If this is a recording studio then there is a good chance that an electrician has already ensured that the mains is clean in the room to start with (yes they can do that, by using filters and / or having separate mains supplies). Fair enough, they may have used basic kettle leads, but the mains may have already been cleaned before this point.
Think proof of concept: If one system was plugged into a room which had terrible noise running through the mains to the extent of causing a hum through yuor speakers and an identical system with very clean mains products you will notice an enormous difference. Every thing else is just shades of grey between these two extremes.
This is not proof that mains cables do not work. So the studio the author used to spend time in didn't use good mains products...but how good was this recording studio. Some recordings (even on main stream albums) are rubbish, and even if it was a good recording, who's to say that it wouldn't have been better with good mains products.
Besides, just because he didn't see good mains products doesn't mean that they were not there. If this is a recording studio then there is a good chance that an electrician has already ensured that the mains is clean in the room to start with (yes they can do that, by using filters and / or having separate mains supplies). Fair enough, they may have used basic kettle leads, but the mains may have already been cleaned before this point.
Think proof of concept: If one system was plugged into a room which had terrible noise running through the mains to the extent of causing a hum through yuor speakers and an identical system with very clean mains products you will notice an enormous difference. Every thing else is just shades of grey between these two extremes.
Points well made John.
What some people fail to grasp (or ignore) is electrical wiring not only carries 230v Live, 1v Neutral (in an ideal world that would be zero) + a noise floor and the Earth dependent on 'Grounding' mains hum.
People spend thousands on their pride and joy and feed it off what is often a inadequate house Mains ring which might even have a baby monitor on it!
In recording studios these problems are usually ironed out at the consumer unit end, some using a balanced mains supply (115v + 115v) instead of 230v, 0v which deals with the problem of stray voltage on the Neutral conduit.
Kettle leads work fine then!
What some people fail to grasp (or ignore) is electrical wiring not only carries 230v Live, 1v Neutral (in an ideal world that would be zero) + a noise floor and the Earth dependent on 'Grounding' mains hum.
People spend thousands on their pride and joy and feed it off what is often a inadequate house Mains ring which might even have a baby monitor on it!
In recording studios these problems are usually ironed out at the consumer unit end, some using a balanced mains supply (115v + 115v) instead of 230v, 0v which deals with the problem of stray voltage on the Neutral conduit.
Kettle leads work fine then!
How many of us have hum through our speakers.
If Joe public is happy with spending a hundred and above on a mains lead then I'm not arguing as we have all got choices.
What I will say is if you spend time with a bit of brasso on your plug pins and clean all leads you will notice a marked difference.
Mains cables will sound different if they are straight out the box compared to old leads because they are ( new-clean). There is plenty scientific proof out there on the web if you care to take the time and look.
By spending a wee bit more money on up-graded speaker cable than on a mains lead will bring greater sound quality than a mains lead will. That is a fact not a guess.
If Joe public is happy with spending a hundred and above on a mains lead then I'm not arguing as we have all got choices.
What I will say is if you spend time with a bit of brasso on your plug pins and clean all leads you will notice a marked difference.
Mains cables will sound different if they are straight out the box compared to old leads because they are ( new-clean). There is plenty scientific proof out there on the web if you care to take the time and look.
By spending a wee bit more money on up-graded speaker cable than on a mains lead will bring greater sound quality than a mains lead will. That is a fact not a guess.
You will be hearing a noise floor on 99% of systems, just turn the volume up with the CD player on pause and listen.
Agree with clean connections, have been treating them for years with Deoxit contact cleaner/sealer.
I myself use Kimber 4TC cable in my system, and the sound difference is akin to going to that from bell wire with the Mains cleaned up!
Agree with clean connections, have been treating them for years with Deoxit contact cleaner/sealer.
I myself use Kimber 4TC cable in my system, and the sound difference is akin to going to that from bell wire with the Mains cleaned up!
I.D.C.:
By spending a wee bit more money on up-graded speaker cable than on a mains lead will bring greater sound quality than a mains lead will. That is a fact not a guess.
Ive actually found the opposite to be true (And I have some of the best speaker cable money can buy)
That is a fact, not a guess
By spending a wee bit more money on up-graded speaker cable than on a mains lead will bring greater sound quality than a mains lead will. That is a fact not a guess.
Ive actually found the opposite to be true (And I have some of the best speaker cable money can buy)
That is a fact, not a guess
Ok times out for me, some good humour here adding to some laughs
Guy's here is some good tips if you want to improve sound over spending hundreds on mains power cables and it's free by the way.
Enjoy
http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/Free_Techniques/Free_Techniques.html
Guy's here is some good tips if you want to improve sound over spending hundreds on mains power cables and it's free by the way.
Enjoy
http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/Free_Techniques/Free_Techniques.html
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