Question Is there something wrong with my hearing???

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12th Monkey

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There is honestly nothing more to my post that the words it contained - sorry!

(Personally, I wouldn't put anything on top of a bit of kit that generated any appreciable heat - but with my power amp I think it would be exceptionally unwise.)
 
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Tinman1952

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Rainer Fink - Senior Acoustics Engineer Europe (Marantz):

“The influence of mechanical engineering on sound quality is really underrated, and sometimes called Voodoo”
 

shadders

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Rainer Fink - Senior Acoustics Engineer Europe (Marantz):

“The influence of mechanical engineering on sound quality is really underrated, and sometimes called Voodoo”
Hi,
If he was talking about speaker driver design, then i can see what he is saying.

Microphony is only an issue for valves. Maybe poorly manufactured equipment where dry joints etc., are an issue. Else, equipment being sensitive to vibration is another subjective foo myth, which adds to the paranoia of audiophiles getting them to worry about stuff, rather than enjoy the music.

Regards,
Shadders.
 

Tinman1952

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Hi,
If he was talking about speaker driver design, then i can see what he is saying.

Microphony is only an issue for valves. Maybe poorly manufactured equipment where dry joints etc., are an issue. Else, equipment being sensitive to vibration is another subjective foo myth, which adds to the paranoia of audiophiles getting them to worry about stuff, rather than enjoy the music.

Regards,
Shadders.
No he was talking about Hi Fi components…
Microphony affects not only valves but all electrical components, particularly where low level audio signals are concerned. Just because you don't want to accept it does not make it ‘foo’. 🙂
 

shadders

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No he was talking about Hi Fi components…
Microphony affects not only valves but all electrical components, particularly where low level audio signals are concerned. Just because you don't want to accept it does not make it ‘foo’. 🙂
Hi,
No problem accepting that it occurs in solid state equipment..... if you have the link to the technical article with a report that demonstrates it exists.

Thanks and regards,
Shadders.
 

Tinman1952

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Hi,
No problem accepting that it occurs in solid state equipment..... if you have the link to the technical article with a report that demonstrates it exists.

Thanks and regards,
Shadders.
Well show me the technical article that states microphony ONLY applies to valves. And not for example….ceramic capacitors……..?
 

shadders

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Well show me the technical article that states microphony ONLY applies to valves. And not for example….ceramic capacitors……..?
Hi,
You cannot prove a negative, if the positive has not been proven.

The onus is upon you to provide the evidence to back up your statement.

Regards,
Shadders.
 

Tinman1952

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Hi,
You cannot prove a negative, if the positive has not been proven.

The onus is upon you to provide the evidence to back up your statement.

Regards,
Shadders.
Well I would suggest the onus is on you to support your statement….in contradiction with professional audio engineers!
 

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They are not ‘designed for it’….🙄
 

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And no ‘proof ‘ for this statement either…so stop hiding behind semantics. 🙂
Microphony in electronic components has been known about for decades and is well documented, (Even Wikipedia has a page on it as it’s that common) however it is very small in solid state and can be virtually eliminated by correct design, (There is a reason Hi-End amps have a heavy solid case with damping feet) so you are not going to be able to hear it as it is dwarfed by everything else in the audio chain. (If you are paranoid just stick a rubber car mat under your components and the job is done)

As to valves (Tubes) just do the pencil test to see how bad it is with your particular amp.

NOTE: we are talking Hi Fi here not live performances, so forget about it with solid state. (No matter what some manufactures try and con you into believing)

Bill
 

shadders

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Hi,
In reference to the wiki page, they do indicate ceramics capacitors are microphonic, but these should never be used in the analogue chain of equipment, since film capacitors are used (or should be).

Those film capacitors that are microphonic are not used - the ones used, the dielectric used is too hard.

It is easily tested, turn the volume up to maximum and no music playing obviously, and then tap the equipment with a pencil or other. The pencil tap vibration is much higher than speaker vibration feedback.

Regards,
Shadders.
 

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