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i now download lossless music and its the great fun, and sounds fantastic
also i use spotify this is where i think the future in music lies,

i dont bother to buy cds anymore and my 3 mates who are also into hifi and music
are also using the same methods now lossless computer music,feeding various dacs and we dont buy cds or are not thinking of upgrading our cd players either, so is cd players slowly dying as the main source and cds looking finished as a music carrier,
so whats your opinion and how many use computer based music for there main source.
 
I also think that is the way to go, however I think CD's will still be around for a very long time and I will continue to add to my collection

I will eventually get a 2nd system dedicated to spotify and similar sites (perhaps the AVI 9.1 active speakers or similar)
 
Unfortunately,if like me you live in Australia... spotify is unavailable....

Therefore, lossless downloads that I actually want to listen to are thin on the ground.

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Yes I believe CD will be the next format to "vanish".

My reasons:

CD was only every introduced to replace tapes, for conveniance, not for pure audio reproduction, not that I am saying it is no good, far from it, but it was born out of conveniance. Now as downloads are increasing their quality this will become more convenient, and so the death of CD's. Not an overnight thing, but the same as what happened to tapes.

Vinyl will live long and will increase sales as a the true audio quality format.
 
For the first time last night I downloaded some 24 bit studio quality demo tracks from the Linn download site.

Unbelievable listening via DACmagic, Graham Slee solo and Grado GS1000i's. (Foobar as the player).

You pay typically £18 for 24 bit studio quality album.

On the strength of the demo tracks, I downloaded a classcial music album. Seems a bit weird to have an album taking up 1.05GB of hard drive space. But the listening experience is amazing, and you can at least try it for free with the demo tracks (if your soundcard supports 24 bit). You can download 16bit versions if you prefer.

Whilst this level of audio quality will not be required perhaps for most of the general public, the fact that PC music playing capability is now so good and it is easier to get music via download with most folks now on fast broadband, with disk capacities ever increasing and costs reducing, maybe CD sales in terms of volumes seen today may dwindle away.

Time will tell I guess.
 
Technology has exploded and yet still, cd is the best they can offer us for audio? I am just surprised there hasn't been a revolution in audio. The stand alone dac is not a new concept and granted it sounds fantastic with lossless, but still, lossless is just cd quality. Surely cd can't be the end of the road in terms of audio?
 
I think you hit it right lossless is only CD quality no better now if you get into 24 bit higher resolution thats a different matter but from what I understand you cant get that to CD yet? Does anyone know if there are 24 bit cd's out there. Its funny with technology how CD has actually got worse in sound quality and with bluray coming around maybe...maybe that might be a new music format due to being able to hold much more information on a disc. My two cents
 
hi fi newbie:Technology has exploded and yet still, cd is the best they can offer us for audio? I am just surprised there hasn't been a revolution in audio. It happened. DVD-Audio and SACD were the 'next best thing', but that died for whatever reason - lack of software/lack of awareness/lack of marketing etc. And yet it still survived by vinyl.....
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IMO whether it is CD or lossless d/l,sound travels through air prior to being processed by our brain.If we close our eyes it wouldn't matter what the source is just the end result.Lossless is just CD quality hence no difference in sound quality.

One advantage of having a CD is you can take it to the car or a mates house to share and you also get a jewel case with track/album information.It also creates jobs either at your local store or online store.

I have lossless audio on my ipod and have compared it with CD and personally,I prefer CD. Lossless music lacks the emotion of music which a CD or vinyl have.Hence the revival of vinyl and by that comparison CD should go on for quite some time.

Again,it is my opinion and you are entitled to disagree.
 
You are comparing a cd player to the dac of your ipod though.

Also regarding dvd audio etc, wasn't it the case that it wasn't all it was hyped up to be? i.e. it wasn't a big step forward in audio quality?
 
hi fi newbie:

You are comparing a cd player to the dac of your ipod though.

Assuming this comment is for me,when I connect the ipod to my CDP via a USB it by-passes the ipod's DAC,or so i'm told.
 
Dalesman:Lossless is just CD quality hence no difference in sound quality.

Hmm, there seems to be a few of you that think lossless = 16-bit. That's only generally true because most lossless files are ripped from CD. There's absolutely nothing to stop lossless files being 24-bit and therefore higher quality. In fact I suspect most 24-bit audio files are already losslessly compressed, otherwise they'd be even bigger than they are now. Just checked on Linn's download site and yes their hi-res downloads are FLAC and therefore lossless, they're just 24-bit and upto 192kHz, instead of 16-bit, 44kHz.
 
the_lhc: There's absolutely nothing to stop lossless files being 24-bit and therefore higher quality.

http://whathifi.com/Video/Interview-with-Ken-Ishiwata-of-Marantz/Vidcasts/Page2/

If you watch this interview (at the 5 minute point) with Ken Ishiwata of Marantz he says 24 bit audio doesn't sound as good as 16 bit audio with regards to the emotion of music. Of course that's his opinion and you are entitled to disagree.
 
Dalesman:
I have lossless audio on my ipod and have compared it with CD and personally,I prefer CD. Lossless music lacks the emotion of music which a CD or vinyl have.Hence the revival of vinyl and by that comparison CD should go on for quite some time.

Wholeheartedly agree. Lossless isn't as good as CD currently fed through exactly the same DAC on my CDP.

Logically how can it be as good when it is only approx 60% of the file size of uncompressed, something is being lost. Lossless it isn't.
 
dvdaudio:

i now download lossless music and its the great fun, and sounds fantastic
also i use spotify this is where i think the future in music lies,

i dont bother to buy cds anymore and my 3 mates who are also into hifi and music
are also using the same methods now lossless computer music,feeding various dacs and we dont buy cds or are not thinking of upgrading our cd players either, so is cd players slowly dying as the main source and cds looking finished as a music carrier,
so whats your opinion and how many use computer based music for there main source.

I remember they said the same about turntables 25 years or so back. Of course the old saying: "Every dog has his day," and I think that downloading is experiencing a similar thing; as long as the hypemongers keep the technology churning then the demand will always remain - until something better comes along.
 
The point that a lot of people are missing is that hifi itself is all but finished (or at least just clinging onto the edge of the precipice)

Read the last few of Clare's annual reports from figures provided by GfK.

From a £6billion overall AV spend last year, CD player sales accounted for £15million. That is a quarter of 1 percent. (Down 21 percent in value and 38 percent down in volume on the previous year and down from sales of £73million in 2000)

Stereo amps... only £22million.

So it seems hifi is pretty dead and CD is even 'deader' when only a farthing (0.25p) from every AV/hifi Pound is spent on it.
 
JoelSim:Dalesman:

I have lossless audio on my ipod and have compared it with CD and personally,I prefer CD. Lossless music lacks the emotion of music which a CD or vinyl have.Hence the revival of vinyl and by that comparison CD should go on for quite some time.

Wholeheartedly agree. Lossless isn't as good as CD currently fed through exactly the same DAC on my CDP.

Logically how can it be as good when it is only approx 60% of the file size of uncompressed, something is being lost. Lossless it isn't.

Only 60%, no, I think you will find that wav for instance is just a copy of the contents of the cd without any compression
 
hi fi newbie:JoelSim:Dalesman:
I have lossless audio on my ipod and have compared it with CD and personally,I prefer CD. Lossless music lacks the emotion of music which a CD or vinyl have.Hence the revival of vinyl and by that comparison CD should go on for quite some time.

Wholeheartedly agree. Lossless isn't as good as CD currently fed through exactly the same DAC on my CDP.

Logically how can it be as good when it is only approx 60% of the file size of uncompressed, something is being lost. Lossless it isn't.

Only 60%, no, I think you will find that wav for instance is just a copy of the contents of the cd without any compression

I was talking Apple Lossless which is the only variant I have tried vs CD.
 
dvdaudio:

i now download lossless music and its the great fun, and sounds fantastic
also i use spotify this is where i think the future in music lies,

i dont bother to buy cds anymore and my 3 mates who are also into hifi and music
are also using the same methods now lossless computer music,feeding various dacs and we dont buy cds or are not thinking of upgrading our cd players either, so is cd players slowly dying as the main source and cds looking finished as a music carrier,
so whats your opinion and how many use computer based music for there main source.

Not in my (freaky-looking flickr) house.......

13th Floor Elevators - Miles Davis

Miles Davis - PG Six

Pink Floyd - ZZ Top
 
Personally i think CD's will be around for a while yet, there is still a market for it and money can be made from the format so it makes sense it will stay. I think the big losers of the digital music scene have been SACD and HDCD neither of these formats have never taken off and it's a shame as these formats are very good.
I have a imac and vary rarely download music in fact only one album in the few months i've had it. I enjoy the owning of a product be it CD or vinyl which i am a big enthusiast than having 'nothing to hold'.
From what i have heard so far CD is so much better that any compressed format whatever the DAC and vinyl surpasses CD by a country mile.
I'm not saying i don't listen to compressed music because i do quite regular especially if i'm feeling lazy i'll have itunes on random and just let it play and i can sit and relax but i think CD and vinyl surpasses it.
One thing i would like to add to this is from the start of digital music i.e CD through to compressed formats there is only one way to listen to them and that is to convert them into analog for our pleasure so why not enjoy music in its analog best VINYL.
 
Well I don't care what people do or say to me CD is and will be the best format, it's the convenience mainly. I remember having hundreds upon hundreds of Tapes and Vinyl and I also remember the room it all took up. Somehow CD doesn't take up much room at all and it's easy to slap it in a play and hit random - ****** to tapes fast forwarding if you want a certain track or re-winding in this instance.

My Tape collection has been very narrowly down scaled as I have most of it on CD now and definitely prefer it that way.

I think CD will stay the same to be honest because not everyone wants, needs or has a PC (I know form being a teccy) and like the good old fashioned way of banging a CD into a player and letting it do its stuff.

I am a mega fan of the mini-disc and I say bring it back lol - can I hell find Mini-Discs around anymore except for online!

My 2 cents worth!!
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CD is finished as my main carrier at home and I cannot see any reason to purchase a CDP. CDs still have a place in the car as there is no direct connection for an mp3 player to the stereo. As a result my CD purchasing has dropped by 95%.
 
nope it isnt finished - there will always be people who wish to go into a shop and buy a tangible item for their music

download may be convenient for those liking technology and pc's etc but ask almost everyone in my office if they use a dac etc with their hifi and you get a puzzled look. they use ipods for portable music and cd's for home hifi

there are many people who will never view an intangible file as a valid replacement for a cd and whilst sales may fall cd's will continue
 
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