hi I have a sony kdl32d3000 tv in the spare room and i want to buy a hd dvd or a blue ray player to match the tv I have about 350pounds our les to speed I only want a cheap one untill the best system is sorted out eny advice thanks mike
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professorhat
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Yikes, there's been so much discussion on this! Do a search on the Home Cinema forum for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray and you'll find dozens of posts all discussing this. I think there's about 3-4 just on the Home Cinema's front page!
For an interim solution: The cheapest HDDVD player is £120 and the cheapest BD player is £229. Save the change for the day when the dust has settled and when hardware has become as usable as DVD. Pictrue and sound on those players will be staggering on the right telly/system.
[quote user="stefanr"]Cheapest DB player is £199, Samsung BD-P1400 at Richer Sounds with the VIP email offer.[/quote]
The HD- DVD players keep dropping in price. See here
The HD- DVD players keep dropping in price. See here
http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/cl/4/DVD-Players?a_4454=DVD%2FHD-DVD
Or here.Have to get this hyperlink rubbish sorted.
Or here.Have to get this hyperlink rubbish sorted.
[quote user="laserman16"]http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/cl/4/DVD-Players?a_4454=DVD%2FHD-DVD
Or here.Have to get this hyperlink rubbish sorted.[/quote]
click here
Or here.Have to get this hyperlink rubbish sorted.[/quote]
click here
[quote user="fr0g"]I wouldn't buy an HD-DVD player no matter how cheap. Support is dwindling. Maybe surprisingly this tiime the more expensive, but superior format looks set to win the battle.
BBC Blog on HD-DVD
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+1. HDDVD players are getting cheaper by the minute - but that's because it's now an obsolete format (unless you only want to watch HDDVDs that you already have!) and stores need to get shot of stock ASAP before it's just landfill!
BBC Blog on HD-DVD
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+1. HDDVD players are getting cheaper by the minute - but that's because it's now an obsolete format (unless you only want to watch HDDVDs that you already have!) and stores need to get shot of stock ASAP before it's just landfill!
Retailers have to get rid of the stock. It will be interesting to see if they re-order these players if they sell out.
If I was in a position where I owned neither (I have a HD-DVD drive bought Christmas week.. cheers for the new year WB!) I think I would hold off for a while yet. When i looked into BD players the first one I considered worthy was £600.. somewhat more than the £200 I paid for my HD-DVD drive. The problem is the spec for BD really needs to settle down.. I foresee a lot of upset people not being able to play new BD releases during 2008 as the 2.0 spec films start appearing. What will be interesting now is how well BD can get established before the whole thing goes to downloads.
Also, has anyone considered the idea of Solid-State movies? Was thinking the other night, the price of SD cards and the like is dropping and the capacities are up.. Can't be long before you could sell movies on an SD card at a resonable price surely?
Also, has anyone considered the idea of Solid-State movies? Was thinking the other night, the price of SD cards and the like is dropping and the capacities are up.. Can't be long before you could sell movies on an SD card at a resonable price surely?
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I foresee a lot of upset people not being able to play new BD releases during 2008 as the 2.0 spec films start appearing.
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The film will still play on Profile 1.0 players.
I foresee a lot of upset people not being able to play new BD releases during 2008 as the 2.0 spec films start appearing.
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The film will still play on Profile 1.0 players.
I've read of various problems with the menus and additional features etc? I am basing this on hearsay to be fair, I don't own a BD player.
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[quote user="countstex"]
I foresee a lot of upset people not being able to play new BD releases during 2008 as the 2.0 spec films start appearing.&
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This is a common misconception. All Blu-Ray players will be able to play all future Blu-Ray films (barring the odd issue in terms of copyright protection encoding etc. like DVD had when it first started). Profile 2.0 refers to the extras on the discs, not the film itself. So older players may not play all the extras, but they will play the films.
Like your idea on solid state films, I think the movie studios would be dubious due to copyright issues and the inevitable DRM that would have to come in. Also, what would you play them on - your PC? Not ideal... but it's definitely a way of getting away from which type of laser they're going to use next and another format war for this!
I foresee a lot of upset people not being able to play new BD releases during 2008 as the 2.0 spec films start appearing.&
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This is a common misconception. All Blu-Ray players will be able to play all future Blu-Ray films (barring the odd issue in terms of copyright protection encoding etc. like DVD had when it first started). Profile 2.0 refers to the extras on the discs, not the film itself. So older players may not play all the extras, but they will play the films.
Like your idea on solid state films, I think the movie studios would be dubious due to copyright issues and the inevitable DRM that would have to come in. Also, what would you play them on - your PC? Not ideal... but it's definitely a way of getting away from which type of laser they're going to use next and another format war for this!
[quote user="professorhat"]This is a common misconception. All Blu-Ray players will be able to play all future Blu-Ray films (barring the odd issue in terms of copyright protection encoding etc. like DVD had when it first started). Profile 2.0 refers to the extras on the discs, not the film itself. So older players may not play all the extras, but they will play the films.[/quote]
I wouldn't want to pay the premium for a HD release and not be able to access all the features myself, but maybe that's just me. After watching the 'bluecreen commentary' on 300 I was very impressed with what can be done with these next gen players.
[quote user="professorhat"]Like your idea on solid state films, I think the movie studios would be dubious due to copyright issues and the inevitable DRM that would have to come in. Also, what would you play them on - your PC? Not ideal... but it's definitely a way of getting away from which type of laser they're going to use next and another format war for this![/quote]
Well I was thinking of having a dedicated player for them, and yes the main thrust would be no format issues per say.. just a data file. I'm sure they could botch some DRM on there, they normally find a way 😉 Just imagine the saving on shelf space you would get though! 😀
I wouldn't want to pay the premium for a HD release and not be able to access all the features myself, but maybe that's just me. After watching the 'bluecreen commentary' on 300 I was very impressed with what can be done with these next gen players.
[quote user="professorhat"]Like your idea on solid state films, I think the movie studios would be dubious due to copyright issues and the inevitable DRM that would have to come in. Also, what would you play them on - your PC? Not ideal... but it's definitely a way of getting away from which type of laser they're going to use next and another format war for this![/quote]
Well I was thinking of having a dedicated player for them, and yes the main thrust would be no format issues per say.. just a data file. I'm sure they could botch some DRM on there, they normally find a way 😉 Just imagine the saving on shelf space you would get though! 😀
[quote user="countstex"]
I've read of various problems with the menus and additional features etc? I am basing this on hearsay to be fair, I don't own a BD player.
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OK first off, the PS3 is upgradable. If you want to be sure of future-proofing, then the PS3 may be for you.
But for stand-alone players:
To access Picture in Picture for example, you need a Profile 1.1 player, not out in the UK yet. To connect your player to the Internet and access the web features, you need a Profile 2.0 player, don't hold your breath waiting.
Most buyers either don't know or couldn't care less, they want to watch films now, not in a year. I am waiting for Profile 1.1 which is due in the UK around March, or April, or maybe May....
The point is that all players have the occasional problem playing the main feature on a new disc, this even happened in the DVD days. Firmware updates fix that problem, and no, you can't update the firmware on a Profile 1.0 player to make it 1.1 etc. The player needs to contain extra hardware for it to support the next level up of Profile.
Of course the manufacturer can release a player with the necessary hardware, these can be upgraded when the next level up of Profile firmware becomes available.
Clear? Thought not. Stupid isn't it.
I've read of various problems with the menus and additional features etc? I am basing this on hearsay to be fair, I don't own a BD player.
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OK first off, the PS3 is upgradable. If you want to be sure of future-proofing, then the PS3 may be for you.
But for stand-alone players:
To access Picture in Picture for example, you need a Profile 1.1 player, not out in the UK yet. To connect your player to the Internet and access the web features, you need a Profile 2.0 player, don't hold your breath waiting.
Most buyers either don't know or couldn't care less, they want to watch films now, not in a year. I am waiting for Profile 1.1 which is due in the UK around March, or April, or maybe May....
The point is that all players have the occasional problem playing the main feature on a new disc, this even happened in the DVD days. Firmware updates fix that problem, and no, you can't update the firmware on a Profile 1.0 player to make it 1.1 etc. The player needs to contain extra hardware for it to support the next level up of Profile.
Of course the manufacturer can release a player with the necessary hardware, these can be upgraded when the next level up of Profile firmware becomes available.
Clear? Thought not. Stupid isn't it.
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You're right, it is crazy and definitely one thing Sony hasn't done well with Blu-Ray
If all Profile 2.0 is bringing is access to the web features, I can't say I'm really that bothered about this.
If all Profile 2.0 is bringing is access to the web features, I can't say I'm really that bothered about this.
Well I was hoping that one of the advantages of internet access would be updating content. We all know thye like to jam trailers onto their discs, which is annoying but they do it. At least with a network connection these trailers could be for new films, not the same thing time and again.
I think this would become 'killer app' status when at any point in a film you could pause, and the image would be tagged with all the actors in the scene with links to their IMDB profiles. The number of times the Mrs and I do this when watching CSI or the like with a standalone laptop is very often indeed. Instant access via the player would be great for me.
I think this would become 'killer app' status when at any point in a film you could pause, and the image would be tagged with all the actors in the scene with links to their IMDB profiles. The number of times the Mrs and I do this when watching CSI or the like with a standalone laptop is very often indeed. Instant access via the player would be great for me.
Oh, and it should de wireless.. a wired connection in this day and age is a little short sighted I would think.
[quote user="fr0g"]I wouldn't buy an HD-DVD player no matter how cheap. Support is dwindling. Maybe surprisingly this tiime the more expensive, but superior format looks set to win the battle.
BBC Blog on HD-DVD[/quote]
The real true story:
http://www.hddvd.com/
http://www.tech.co.uk//blu-ray-and-hd-dvd/news/freebies-caused-blu-ray-spike-in-jan?articleid=505493568
BBC Blog on HD-DVD[/quote]
The real true story:
http://www.hddvd.com/
http://www.tech.co.uk//blu-ray-and-hd-dvd/news/freebies-caused-blu-ray-spike-in-jan?articleid=505493568
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