Full album on 45rpm

[bigfish786]

I have one album, Prong-Ruining Lives, which plays at 45rpm, rather than 33. Is there any particular reason why this would have been done? And sound/quality reasons?

 

[Al ears]

Hi Bigfish, you might find the link below of interest. I have several albums recorded at 45 RPM although these are usually Classical or Jazz / Blues.

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/why-45-rpm-great-45-rpm-12-lp-explanation-by-kevin-gray.132280/

 

[toyota man]

Hi I seem to remember that the sound quality is better on 45rpm as the music is spread over a longer grove so not so much information compressed onto the grove if that makes sense

 

[bigfish786]

Hi Bigfish, you might find the link below of interest. I have several albums recorded at 45 RPM although these are usually Classical or Jazz / Blues.

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/why-45-rpm-great-45-rpm-12-lp-explanation-by-kevin-gray.132280/

thanks for that, so the s.q. Is better. I must admit it does sound good.

 

[MajorFubar]

Considering that one of the sonic limitations of the format is that the linear velocity gets slower and slower the closer the arm gets to the centre, I was never quite sure why 78rpm was dispensed with. Should have made for some really decent sounding 12" singles, albeit limited to 6-7 minutes if they weren't to be cut too quiet. Maybe in the early days of vinyl the high linear velocity at the records' outer edges would have lead to to tracking problems or too much stylus wear to sapphire-tipped styli.

 

[fr0g]

The funny thing is, the guy goes on about nothing coming close to the quality and then talks about it being physics.

When of course even a 128K MP3 beats vinyl and physics gave us digital music.

Go figure.

 

[thescarletpronster]

Occasionally albums were released on 45 even 'back in the day', for example Rip Rig + Panic's first two albums (both brilliant, by the way) from 1981 and 1982.

 

[Frank Harvey]

There is an increasing number of albums being released at 45rpm nowadays. Queens of the Stone Age's Like Clockwork and Foo Fighters' Wasting Light spring to mind, many Mobile Fidelity releases like those from Bob Dylan, most Analogue Productions release are 45rpm and on 200gm vinyl too, like The Doors L.A. woman and Credence Clearwater Revival releases.

Despite the claims of digital superiority, I find it odd that even standard vinyl usually outperforms digital releases for dynamic range.

 

[Al ears]

There is an increasing number of albums being released at 45rpm nowadays. Queens of the Stone Age's Like Clockwork and Foo Fighters' Wasting Light spring to mind, many Mobile Fidelity releases like those from Bob Dylan, most Analogue Productions release are 45rpm and on 200gm vinyl too, like The Doors L.A. woman and Credence Clearwater Revival releases.

Despite the claims of digital superiority, I find it odd that even standard vinyl usually outperforms digital releases for dynamic range.

I quite agree. I have yet to hear any mp3 file that sounds better or even as good as my vinyl set-up. I have a feeling many others feel this way too and this has only assisted the current trend in turntable sales and associated vinyl 'revival' (although in my case it never went away.)

 

[Anderson]

There is an increasing number of albums being released at 45rpm nowadays. Queens of the Stone Age's Like Clockwork and Foo Fighters' Wasting Light spring to mind, many Mobile Fidelity releases like those from Bob Dylan, most Analogue Productions release are 45rpm and on 200gm vinyl too, like The Doors L.A. woman and Credence Clearwater Revival releases.

Despite the claims of digital superiority, I find it odd that even standard vinyl usually outperforms digital releases for dynamic range.

I quite agree. I have yet to hear any mp3 file that sounds better or even as good as my vinyl set-up. I have a feeling many others feel this way too and this has only assisted the current trend in turntable sales and associated vinyl 'revival' (although in my case it never went away.)

Its the mastering not the format, digital is the middle child, so much potential but wasted because he wants to get high every day instead of studying for good grades. Vinyl is the first born dumb kid, makes up for his ability by putting time into studying and etyig the grades. Modern life.

You can rip vinyl to MP3 and it sounds exactely the same as the original.

 

[Lost Angeles]

Occasionally albums were released on 45 even 'back in the day', for example Rip Rig + Panic's first two albums (both brilliant, by the way) from 1981 and 1982.

Think you might be 20 years to late there.

 

[Frank Harvey]

You can rip vinyl to MP3 and it sounds exactely the same as the original.

*ROFL*

 

[Al ears]

You can rip vinyl to MP3 and it sounds exactely the same as the original.

*ROFL*

Now now David. Perhaps it does on his system.

 

[Frank Harvey]

Now now David. Perhaps it does on his system.

I know he mentions in his sig about disconnecting his brain, but I can only presume he's already disconnected his ears...

Of course, any format recorded to a digital format will sound (basically) the same, but only within the limitations of that recording format. Compressing a vinyl signal to MP3 may well retain certain vinyl characteristics/distortions (call them what you will depending which side of the fence you sit on), but that doesn't mean that the MP3 version you're listening to "sounds exactly the same as the original". Compression aside, you've still got the D-A and A-D processes that will have their effects. I know what is coming after that statement, but if you compare products that use different DAC chips (Wolfson/Burr Brown etc), there are differences to be heard.

 

[Frank Harvey]

Its the mastering not the format, digital is the middle child, so much potential but wasted because he wants to get high every day instead of studying for good grades. Vinyl is the first born dumb kid, makes up for his ability by putting time into studying and etyig the grades. Modern life.

*fool*

 

[Al ears]

Now now David. Perhaps it does on his system.

I know he mentions in his sig about disconnecting his brain, but I can only presume he's already disconnected his ears...

Of course, any format recorded to a digital format will sound (basically) the same, but only within the limitations of that recording format. Compressing a vinyl signal to MP3 may well retain certain vinyl characteristics/distortions (call them what you will depending which side of the fence you sit on), but that doesn't mean that the MP3 version you're listening to "sounds exactly the same as the original". Compression aside, you've still got the D-A and A-D processes that will have their effects. I know what is coming after that statement, but if you compare products that use different DAC chips (Wolfson/Burr Brown etc), there are differences to be heard.

I concur. To my mind you cannot get any higher 'resolution' than a pure analogue signal anyway.

 

[Al ears]

Its the mastering not the format, digital is the middle child, so much potential but wasted because he wants to get high every day instead of studying for good grades. Vinyl is the first born dumb kid, makes up for his ability by putting time into studying and etyig the grades. Modern life.

*fool*

Possibly clear evidence of just that.

 

[MajorFubar]

I concur. To my mind you cannot get any higher 'resolution' than a pure analogue signal anyway.

Theorectically that should be true but the trouble is they haven't invented an analogue recording and distribution system which doesn't add a load of noise and distortion by its very nature. And of the various analogue media that were once popular, records were the worst culprit.

 

[Al ears]

I concur. To my mind you cannot get any higher 'resolution' than a pure analogue signal anyway.

Theorectically that should be true but the trouble is they haven't invented an analogue recording and distribution system which doesn't add a load of noise and distortion by its very nature. And of the various analogue media that were once popular, records were the worst culprit.

My point precisely sir, so any highly compressed MP3 ripped from said vinyl is going to sound infinitely worse.

 

[MajorFubar]

Well it's true that the ADC-DAC conversion can never be truly honestly transparent because the sound will in some way be affected by the additional circuitry its passed through, like passing it through a tape recorder's rec/pb tape loop. But listening to the playback, in most cases you'd be hard pushed to tell if the digital file had been stored as a lossless codec or 320K MP3.

 

[stevebrock]

My Hoffman remaster of Fleetwood Mac - Rumours on 2 x 45rpm 180g sounds like a different album to the original press

 

[Frank Harvey]

I've heard a few people say good things about that release, and L.A. Woman by The Doors.

 

[Al ears]

I've heard a few people say good things about that release, and L.A. Woman by The Doors.

Isn't life strange? You are right about LA Woman David, says great things for valve equipment re-mastering, it's extremely well done.

I said strange because I have the Doors number and am currently still awaiting my copy of Rumours.

 

[macdiddy]

" time out " by dave brubeck on double 45rpm vinyl, currently going for £105 on amazon.

*music2*

 

[Al ears]

" time out " by dave brubeck on double 45rpm vinyl, currently going for £105 on amazon.

*music2*

Great album but how much??

Get it here for £42 ................ http://snvinyl.co.uk/Dave-Brubeck-Quartet-Time-Out-45rpm-200g-2LP