Floorstanders with the biggest bass

[nugget2014]

i am possibly looking to get some floorstanding speakers if they would provide me the "feel the bass" kind of feeling.. as i dont get that in my room with my dali ikon sub mk2 even at the loudest volumes and different material. i heard 100hz content does that well and i am guessing good floorstanders would make the job easier than a sub at 100hz (cant tell difference between 80hz and 100hz crossover on sub anyway)

if purchasing any decent floorstander would provide better music and home cinema experience that'd be enough for me to buy them anyway. but if they can also make me feel the bass a little sometimes when loud like at concerts that'd be a big plus.

some speakers that i have shortlisted as possible candidates (need some advice and pro's/cons of each speaker if possible)

Dali Zensor 7, Dali ikon 5 mk2, ikon 6 mk2, ikon 7 mk2, polk tsx550 b&w 683 s2

also open to other speaker suggestions.

 

[rainsoothe]

Oh, you MUST audition Martin Logan Motion 40. If you can't, just buy blindly. Joking, but they seem to be what your looking for - maybe you can find used for little money, or ex-dem models.

By the way, what's the rest of your system (especially amp, but source as well) and roomsize? ATC SCM 40 or 19 at least might be great options.

 

[paulkebab]

a transmission line design, or at least have a listen to how this kind of speaker sounds in terms of bass representation.

 

[bigboss]

A floorstander can never be superior to a decent subwoofer for bass.

 

[lindsayt]

bigboss, not even the sort of heavyweight floorstanders mentioned in this thread: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/million-yen-40-25-70-kg-club ???

 

[bigboss]

bigboss, not even the sort of heavyweight floorstanders mentioned in this thread: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/million-yen-40-25-70-kg-club  ???

They're no match to this: http://bobbyowsinski.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/the-worlds-largest-subwoofer.html?m=1

🙂

 

[lindsayt]

bigboss, so is that Roberto Dell Curti subwoofer the only "decent subwoofer" in the world then?

 

[bigboss]

bigboss, so is that Roberto Dell Curti subwoofer the only "decent subwoofer" in the world then?

I thought we left decency behind ever since you posted that thread with monstrous examples. 😀

 

[davedotco]

A floorstander can never be superior to a decent subwoofer for bass.

I don't think the OP asked for 'superior', just more!

If you want powerful, tight bass with a physical kick at affordable prices then a decent active, 'studio type' speaker system is undoubtably the way to go if buying new.

Start with the inexpensive Yamaha HS8s at just £400, the Adam A7x or A8x, £750 and £1000 respectively or if funds permit, the immensly powerful Mackie HR824 at £1300.

These will undoubtably do the job required but integrating them into the OP's system might be the challenge though at the moment we do not know what that is.

 

[bigboss]

I personally think the OP doesn't need to change his speakers at all. It's a setup problem and it's far cheaper to hire a professional to calibrate his system.

 

[bigboss]

Besides, a subwoofer like SVS SB1000 will give far more bass than floorstanders.

 

[nugget2014]

My system😀ali zensor 3, vokal centre, Cambridge Audio minx min11 surrounds, av receiver: Sony str-dn1040 subwoofer Dali ikon sub mk2.

I don't need it calibrating properly I don't imagine I've tried so much to get it perfect. I think it's just my room. I get a huge null in the middle of my room where my seating position is and only way to combat this is sub in the corner which might make it a bit boomy. I think when my seating area was at the back wall 12ft from speakers the sub worked just as good not in a corner but then too far away from a 46" TV and surrounds wouldn't work all crammed in when I'm 6" from back wall.

oh and room is 15ft by 14ft by guess

 

[wilro15]

Then you need room correction. Get your hands on a DSpeaker Anti-Mode Dual Core 2.0. I use the same device.

It can automatically correct nulls and modes in your room and works on a full range system.

You can get the cheaper subwoofer only version too, but it won't work with your main stereo speakers.

 

[rainsoothe]

Then you need room correction. Get your hands on a DSpeaker Anti-Mode Dual Core 2.0. I use the same device.

It can automatically correct nulls and modes in your room and works on a full range system.

You can get the cheaper subwoofer only version too, but it won't work with your main stereo speakers.

This seems to be the cheapest and best sollution to your problem. I haven't tried it, but Wilro and Dave seem to be using it to great success.

 

[EvPa]

Here's a nice floorstander that goes down to C0 (~16Hz):

Depending on the height of your ceiling it might pose a problem though; it's fine in my living room (sloping ceiling going from 12ft to almost 25ft).

 

[nugget2014]

i am never buying the dual core 2.0 it's like £600! i had someone advise me the cheaper version at £235 but i heard it doesnt correct nulls only sorts out peaks so you can have it louder without having certain frequencies overbear the others.

 

[nugget2014]

the question is, are you even meant to feel bass on a subwoofer that isnt the "best" i mean it only cost me £400. i might be thinking it wouldnt be possible in my room unless i was to get something like an sb-13 ultra or pb-13 ultra :/ has anyone experienced bass they can feel on a similar sub to mine such as bk monolith etc? just want to know if its possible.

 

[davedotco]

A lot.

What do you mean by feel, are you looking for the sense of unease you get from grumbling sub bass or the kick in the chest that you get from a bass drum?

They are very different and produced in different ways, maybe it would help if you describe the kind of bass that is not working for you in your current setup. What kind of music is causing the problems?

 

[steve_1979]

i am never buying the dual core 2.0 it's like £600! i had someone advise me the cheaper version at £235 but i heard it doesnt correct nulls only sorts out peaks so you can have it louder without having certain frequencies overbear the others.

Correcting nulls often requires huge amounts of power from your amplifier so in most cases it's best to just correct the peaks and leave the nulls alone.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Lol.......

Wear silk shirts and cheese cloth trousers when listening....lol

Get a longer coax to your sub and experiment with its location

 

[nugget2014]

A lot.

What do you mean by feel, are you looking for the sense of unease you get from grumbling sub bass or the kick in the chest that you get from a bass drum?

They are very different and produced in different ways, maybe it would help if you describe the kind of bass that is not working for you in your current setup. What kind of music is causing the problems?

the kind of bass you can feel in either your legs or your chest. for example at concerts. no matter how loud i have my sub i would never feel any bass from music even at 110-115db. however i DO feel it sometimes from films (have done twice now i think) if it isn't possible for a sub of my calibre then i was led into a false sense of purchasing a subwoofer as that what my first experience was. although i still couldnt live without it. going back to bookshelf speakers for the bass would be dreadful!

 

[davedotco]

A lot.

What do you mean by feel, are you looking for the sense of unease you get from grumbling sub bass or the kick in the chest that you get from a bass drum?

They are very different and produced in different ways, maybe it would help if you describe the kind of bass that is not working for you in your current setup. What kind of music is causing the problems?

the kind of bass you can feel in either your legs or your chest. for example at concerts. no matter how loud i have my sub i would never feel any bass from music even at 110-115db. however i DO feel it sometimes from films (have done twice now i think) if it isn't possible for a sub of my calibre then i was led into a false sense of purchasing a subwoofer as that what my first experience was. although i still couldnt live without it. going back to bookshelf speakers for the bass would be dreadful!

That is simply because, on most music, there is really not that much meaningful output below 60-80hz the usual upper limit for subwoofers. The bass that you can actually feel, in music anyway, is really in the octave or two above those frequencies and most modern (passive) hi-fi speakers can not produce it without lots of distortion, leading to the warm, woofly and generally impact free bass that has become the norm in hi-fi.

I made some suggestions in your thread in the home cinema section, take a look there.

 

[bigboss]

If the music you listen to doesn't have lower frequencies, then you won't hear the bass. The information just isn't there. The bass that you're talking about (where you feel the thump) are the very low frequencies. You should look at subwoofers that go below 20Hz.

 

[steve_1979]

With my sub/sat system you can really feel the physical punch in your chest when played loud with the right kind of music. It's feels like listening to a pair of big six foot tall floorstanders.

I've also heard a few other subwoofer systems that can do the same too so it can definitely be done with the right system.

You also need the right kind music though.