It appears that iTunes will shortly have all its songs without DRM.
http://www.apple.com/itunes/whatsnew/?sr=hotnews
http://www.apple.com/itunes/whatsnew/?sr=hotnews
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jerryyeatman
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But I bet you still have to use itunes get the music onto your ipod.
Until ipods can be used without itunes or any other 3rd party workaround I won't buy one.
Until ipods can be used without itunes or any other 3rd party workaround I won't buy one.
What's so bad about iTunes?
It's alright for cataloging music, you can import from CD at whatever bit-rate you want... you can buy DRM free MP3's from elsewhere and import them..
How come you are so against having to use software with an ipod? Do you not have a Mac/PC to use it on?
It's alright for cataloging music, you can import from CD at whatever bit-rate you want... you can buy DRM free MP3's from elsewhere and import them..
How come you are so against having to use software with an ipod? Do you not have a Mac/PC to use it on?
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I like to manage my music myself.
There are plenty of websites where you can buy DRM free music
I wouldn't like having to install a 70meg application on every computer I might want to connect the ipod to
I love the design and sound quality of the ipods, but making itunes ESSENTIAL rather than optional is a huge stroke of stupidity when the ipod is so close to perfection.
There are plenty of websites where you can buy DRM free music
I wouldn't like having to install a 70meg application on every computer I might want to connect the ipod to
I love the design and sound quality of the ipods, but making itunes ESSENTIAL rather than optional is a huge stroke of stupidity when the ipod is so close to perfection.
iTunes has its uses, for one it updates your iPod firmware, and secondly it's just convenient for ripping to Apple Lossless if one needs to.
Unless you're using a Mac, I agree for playback it's just too heavy and clunky, but then I don't play AACs on my PC anyway.
Unless you're using a Mac, I agree for playback it's just too heavy and clunky, but then I don't play AACs on my PC anyway.
Hi Jerry,
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I must say that for me the cost of 70Mb of disk space versus the cost of my time to manage all my music would not be a very difficult decision to make, but it is a trade off that you have decided to make (with your mp3) to deliver the exact setup you have.
I agree that the iPod/iTunes setup ain't perfect for my situation either, but the 95% of my needs it matches it delivers in spades! Very few things in life are perfect - I know I'm certainly not 🙂ÿKnowing everything works together, and works well has more value for me than delivering 100%
Apple deliberatley tied iTunes to iPod years ago to maximise the sales of its newly launched MP3 called "iPod". Whether this is stupidity or genius depends entirely on your viewpoint, but from a marketing perspective, it has helped them make more than a few quid! 🙂
Which player and software do you use, by the way? Lets us know if we are missing out. 🙂ÿ
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I must say that for me the cost of 70Mb of disk space versus the cost of my time to manage all my music would not be a very difficult decision to make, but it is a trade off that you have decided to make (with your mp3) to deliver the exact setup you have.
I agree that the iPod/iTunes setup ain't perfect for my situation either, but the 95% of my needs it matches it delivers in spades! Very few things in life are perfect - I know I'm certainly not 🙂ÿKnowing everything works together, and works well has more value for me than delivering 100%
Apple deliberatley tied iTunes to iPod years ago to maximise the sales of its newly launched MP3 called "iPod". Whether this is stupidity or genius depends entirely on your viewpoint, but from a marketing perspective, it has helped them make more than a few quid! 🙂
Which player and software do you use, by the way? Lets us know if we are missing out. 🙂ÿ
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I agree from a marketing perspective it was an excellent decision for Apple, and no doubt they've made astronomic profit out of it. I don't think it's necessarily best for consumers though. 70Mb is large, but size is not the only problem. Having to go to the trouble of installing it is! You can't just plug into a new machine and go. Don't forget that when you agree to Apple's T&Cs you're agreeing to let them do as they wish with YOUR music. Every track in every itunes subscriber's collection is at the mercy of Apple. I don't want to entrust my music collection to Apple.
I prefer my mp3 device to be a mass storage device. My current player is a Cowon iAudio 7. The main factors in choosing it were sound quality, that it can play FLACs, and the 60 hour battery life. The interface is not as good as the ipod nano G2 I had before it.
On my PC I use Audiograbber, EAC, Foobar2000, Winamp, Audacity. I buy music from beatport, bleep, boomkat, and more recently from Amazon now that they sell DRM free music.
It's not a seemless automated process, but I perefer the control I have, and don't have to worry about my music collection being lost as I'm in control of my backups.
I prefer my mp3 device to be a mass storage device. My current player is a Cowon iAudio 7. The main factors in choosing it were sound quality, that it can play FLACs, and the 60 hour battery life. The interface is not as good as the ipod nano G2 I had before it.
On my PC I use Audiograbber, EAC, Foobar2000, Winamp, Audacity. I buy music from beatport, bleep, boomkat, and more recently from Amazon now that they sell DRM free music.
It's not a seemless automated process, but I perefer the control I have, and don't have to worry about my music collection being lost as I'm in control of my backups.
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jerryyeatman:Don't forget that when you agree to Apple's T&Cs you're agreeing to let them do as they wish with YOUR music. Every track in every itunes subscriber's collection is at the mercy of Apple.
huh?
huh?
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Suppose you were angry with Apple, and wanted to take your custom elsewhere, and your music collection, maybe because the battery died on your ipod the day after the warranty expired, or some other reason.
Can you?
Can you?
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My music collection is almost entirely ripped from CDs - I think I have about 50 downloaded tracks - so yes. Do we need to differentiate between iTunes Store and iTunes The Application?
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jerryyeatman:
Suppose you were angry with Apple, and wanted to take your custom elsewhere, and your music collection, maybe because the battery died on your ipod the day after the warranty expired, or some other reason.
Can you?
Yes. Music is all stored in one format in some folders, so just take this and reimport into another piece of software (obviously not DRM ones, but I only ever bought a few tunes from the store as the quality is not good enough).
Suppose you were angry with Apple, and wanted to take your custom elsewhere, and your music collection, maybe because the battery died on your ipod the day after the warranty expired, or some other reason.
Can you?
Yes. Music is all stored in one format in some folders, so just take this and reimport into another piece of software (obviously not DRM ones, but I only ever bought a few tunes from the store as the quality is not good enough).
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jerryyeatman:Even if you bought it through itunes?
No, see my response above. Though you can burn them to CD and reimport...
No, see my response above. Though you can burn them to CD and reimport...
Hi Jerry,
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I think so long as the music in the folders is DRM free (either purchased from itunes, elsewhere or ripped from CD), you can just import it into other music player software. It looks like apple are allowing people who have purchased music with drm to upgrade it to better quality drm free music for the cost difference (and be able to us it with another player). That strikes me as a reasonable business practice.
ÿApple did get a bit of backlash a couple of years ago for snooping on peoples collections, but there is a way of turning off apple being able to view your music. Obviously if you want to use genius sidebar, you need to let them see your collection, but at least you get the decision.
I must say, I'm sure you get exactly what you need from your setup, but it does appear complicated. Just the thought of keeping all those apps updated sends shivers down my spine - but I'm guessing you're an IT guy, and its all second nature to you.
The world would be a very boring place if we were all the same, and there would certainly be no place for this forum if we all thought alike ! ÿ
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I think so long as the music in the folders is DRM free (either purchased from itunes, elsewhere or ripped from CD), you can just import it into other music player software. It looks like apple are allowing people who have purchased music with drm to upgrade it to better quality drm free music for the cost difference (and be able to us it with another player). That strikes me as a reasonable business practice.
ÿApple did get a bit of backlash a couple of years ago for snooping on peoples collections, but there is a way of turning off apple being able to view your music. Obviously if you want to use genius sidebar, you need to let them see your collection, but at least you get the decision.
I must say, I'm sure you get exactly what you need from your setup, but it does appear complicated. Just the thought of keeping all those apps updated sends shivers down my spine - but I'm guessing you're an IT guy, and its all second nature to you.
The world would be a very boring place if we were all the same, and there would certainly be no place for this forum if we all thought alike ! ÿ
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to get slightly back on track:
is this removal of DRM on for purchases going forward or will we be able to apply it retrospectively to previously purchased tracks?
Itunes plus is good - DRM free and double the bit rate - and prices still only 79p for many tracks. may be the prices will drop as a result of this DRM removal?
is this removal of DRM on for purchases going forward or will we be able to apply it retrospectively to previously purchased tracks?
Itunes plus is good - DRM free and double the bit rate - and prices still only 79p for many tracks. may be the prices will drop as a result of this DRM removal?
Tommy,
ÿI think you can upgrade previosly purchased tracks (through itunes store) to DRM free versions, that are better quality, for the price difference.
Dale.ÿ
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ÿI think you can upgrade previosly purchased tracks (through itunes store) to DRM free versions, that are better quality, for the price difference.
Dale.ÿ
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jerryyeatman:
Don't forget that when you agree to Apple's T&Cs you're agreeing to let them do as they wish with YOUR music. Every track in every itunes subscriber's collection is at the mercy of Apple. I don't want to entrust my music collection to Apple.
I don't see how how my downloads are at Apple's mercy. I own them; I get an e-mail from Apple each time I buy music confirming my purchases, which is my receipt and gives me consumer rights and confirms transfer of ownership. I have the music files backed up onto disc and the actual files themselves are on a separate hard drive. If Apple did remove my ability to use itunes I could have a civil case with them. In any case I could get another mp3 player and downoad all my music files onto that. However if Apple somehow took away my hard drive files and CD back ups, so taking away what I have bought, that is theft and a criminal matter, be in no doubt about that.
I think the removal of DRM is because Apple want to pitch itunes as the expensive, but high quality option. With the likes of Amazon now providing the competition Apple have avoided with not allowing Napster downloads available for ipod, Apple have to react. Furthermore Amazon downloads are at itunes plus bit rates, 256kbps. There are so many programmes out there that remove DRM anyway, what is the point in it? Itunes is too expensive. Apple have previously acted by making 'plus' tracks the same price as others, though it still costs to upgrade previous purchases. In the same way sweetie manufactures will alter the size of the chocolate bar rather than the price, Apple is looking to upping the quality rather than drop the price.
Don't forget that when you agree to Apple's T&Cs you're agreeing to let them do as they wish with YOUR music. Every track in every itunes subscriber's collection is at the mercy of Apple. I don't want to entrust my music collection to Apple.
I don't see how how my downloads are at Apple's mercy. I own them; I get an e-mail from Apple each time I buy music confirming my purchases, which is my receipt and gives me consumer rights and confirms transfer of ownership. I have the music files backed up onto disc and the actual files themselves are on a separate hard drive. If Apple did remove my ability to use itunes I could have a civil case with them. In any case I could get another mp3 player and downoad all my music files onto that. However if Apple somehow took away my hard drive files and CD back ups, so taking away what I have bought, that is theft and a criminal matter, be in no doubt about that.
I think the removal of DRM is because Apple want to pitch itunes as the expensive, but high quality option. With the likes of Amazon now providing the competition Apple have avoided with not allowing Napster downloads available for ipod, Apple have to react. Furthermore Amazon downloads are at itunes plus bit rates, 256kbps. There are so many programmes out there that remove DRM anyway, what is the point in it? Itunes is too expensive. Apple have previously acted by making 'plus' tracks the same price as others, though it still costs to upgrade previous purchases. In the same way sweetie manufactures will alter the size of the chocolate bar rather than the price, Apple is looking to upping the quality rather than drop the price.
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idc:jerryyeatman:
Don't forget that when you agree to Apple's T&Cs you're agreeing to let them do as they wish with YOUR music. Every track in every itunes subscriber's collection is at the mercy of Apple. I don't want to entrust my music collection to Apple.
I don't see how how my downloads are at Apple's mercy. I own them; I get an e-mail from Apple each time I buy music confirming my purchases, which is my receipt and gives me consumer rights and confirms transfer of ownership. I have the music files backed up onto disc and the actual files themselves are on a separate hard drive. If Apple did remove my ability to use itunes I could have a civil case with them. In any case I could get another mp3 player and downoad all my music files onto that. However if Apple somehow took away my hard drive files and CD back ups, so taking away what I have bought, that is theft and a criminal matter, be in no doubt about that.
I think the removal of DRM is because Apple want to pitch itunes as the expensive, but high quality option. With the likes of Amazon now providing the competition Apple have avoided with not allowing Napster downloads available for ipod, Apple have to react. Furthermore Amazon downloads are at itunes plus bit rates, 256kbps. There are so many programmes out there that remove DRM anyway, what is the point in it? Itunes is too expensive. Apple have previously acted by making 'plus' tracks the same price as others, though it still costs to upgrade previous purchases. In the same way sweetie manufactures will alter the size of the chocolate bar rather than the price, Apple is looking to upping the quality rather than drop the price.
Just FYI, you never own music, you simply buy a license to play it.
Don't forget that when you agree to Apple's T&Cs you're agreeing to let them do as they wish with YOUR music. Every track in every itunes subscriber's collection is at the mercy of Apple. I don't want to entrust my music collection to Apple.
I don't see how how my downloads are at Apple's mercy. I own them; I get an e-mail from Apple each time I buy music confirming my purchases, which is my receipt and gives me consumer rights and confirms transfer of ownership. I have the music files backed up onto disc and the actual files themselves are on a separate hard drive. If Apple did remove my ability to use itunes I could have a civil case with them. In any case I could get another mp3 player and downoad all my music files onto that. However if Apple somehow took away my hard drive files and CD back ups, so taking away what I have bought, that is theft and a criminal matter, be in no doubt about that.
I think the removal of DRM is because Apple want to pitch itunes as the expensive, but high quality option. With the likes of Amazon now providing the competition Apple have avoided with not allowing Napster downloads available for ipod, Apple have to react. Furthermore Amazon downloads are at itunes plus bit rates, 256kbps. There are so many programmes out there that remove DRM anyway, what is the point in it? Itunes is too expensive. Apple have previously acted by making 'plus' tracks the same price as others, though it still costs to upgrade previous purchases. In the same way sweetie manufactures will alter the size of the chocolate bar rather than the price, Apple is looking to upping the quality rather than drop the price.
Just FYI, you never own music, you simply buy a license to play it.
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I think of the itunes app as fundamentally a DRM system. If Apple are dropping DRM then itunes becomes somewhat redundant, other than being a rather cumbersome music management tool, with a pretty interface.
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jerryyeatman:I think of the itunes app as fundamentally a DRM system. If Apple are dropping DRM then itunes becomes somewhat redundant, other than being a rather cumbersome music management tool, with a pretty interface.
Diff'rent strokes...
Diff'rent strokes...
i must admit, I don't find it cumbersome.ÿ
Its easy to create playlists, helps me find music easilly, helps me put the latest photo' sand video's onto my ipod, downloads the podcasts I'm interested in.
I've no tused the apps you use, but is it easier to do the above with them?ÿ
Its easy to create playlists, helps me find music easilly, helps me put the latest photo' sand video's onto my ipod, downloads the podcasts I'm interested in.
I've no tused the apps you use, but is it easier to do the above with them?ÿ
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I would say it probably isn't easier to use the tools I use, but I prefer them noneltheless. I appreciate many people prefer the itunes way of doing things.
At the end of the day, if itunes was optional I would be the happy owner of an ipod. Whilst it's essential I won't be buying another one.
I did investigate RockBox when I got my nano 2G, but unfortunately it isn't compatible.
At the end of the day, if itunes was optional I would be the happy owner of an ipod. Whilst it's essential I won't be buying another one.
I did investigate RockBox when I got my nano 2G, but unfortunately it isn't compatible.
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