An excellent review but for me a flaw in it as with the Onkyo 606 review. Now I've gone on about this before but I really don't understand the reluctance to mention the LACK OF PRE OUTS!! We've had the award winning Onkyo 605 - fair enough it had HD audio and no other receiver in it's price range did. However now, most of the £350 - £500 receivers have HD audio and surely pre outs or lack of should be mentioned. What is particularly annoying with the 1909 is that the 1908 it superceded has got pre outs (just no HD decoding). Is it now down to the Sony 2400 to give us HD audio, upscaling, upconverting and pre outs - all for under £500. Will it get 6 stars??
Denon AVR 1909 review
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Hi Clare.
I've just seen that you have entered the forum. Any views/responses to this? Please note I am not trying to start an argument and I understand that AV receivers are supposed to be for home cinema.
I've just seen that you have entered the forum. Any views/responses to this? Please note I am not trying to start an argument and I understand that AV receivers are supposed to be for home cinema.
Sorry, just seen this.
In the current, sub£500 HD-capable receiver market, pre-outs (sadly) simply aren't a reality - manufacturers have to give up something to come in at that price point, and it seems that while @£400 receivers of yore had pre-outs, these models have HD and HDMI.
I agree, however, that this should have been more clearly explained. I've asked that it's flagged up more explicitly from here on in...
In the current, sub£500 HD-capable receiver market, pre-outs (sadly) simply aren't a reality - manufacturers have to give up something to come in at that price point, and it seems that while @£400 receivers of yore had pre-outs, these models have HD and HDMI.
I agree, however, that this should have been more clearly explained. I've asked that it's flagged up more explicitly from here on in...
Gutted, was just starting to think the denon was my next purchase. I was pretty set on the denon after your glowing review and just assumed it had pre-outs. You wouldnt think it would cost that much to add preouts during production.
I need hd decoding and preouts but not really fussed about loads of hdmi or upscaling. Looks like the onkyo 705 is the only receiver on my sub £500 shortlist and maybe the next model up from the yamaha you tested (the ax 763, i think) now.
I need hd decoding and preouts but not really fussed about loads of hdmi or upscaling. Looks like the onkyo 705 is the only receiver on my sub £500 shortlist and maybe the next model up from the yamaha you tested (the ax 763, i think) now.
Clare Newsome:
Sorry, just seen this.
In the current, sub£500 HD-capable receiver market, pre-outs (sadly) simply aren't a reality - manufacturers have to give up something to come in at that price point, and it seems that while @£400 receivers of yore had pre-outs, these models have HD and HDMI.
I agree, however, that this should have been more clearly explained. I've asked that it's flagged up more explicitly from here on in...
The upcoming Sony 2400 has pre outs, upconversion, upscaling 1080p from analogue and four hdmi all for sub £500 (albeit a £1 or so)!
Sorry, just seen this.
In the current, sub£500 HD-capable receiver market, pre-outs (sadly) simply aren't a reality - manufacturers have to give up something to come in at that price point, and it seems that while @£400 receivers of yore had pre-outs, these models have HD and HDMI.
I agree, however, that this should have been more clearly explained. I've asked that it's flagged up more explicitly from here on in...
The upcoming Sony 2400 has pre outs, upconversion, upscaling 1080p from analogue and four hdmi all for sub £500 (albeit a £1 or so)!
Clare Newsome:
Sorry, just seen this.
In the current, sub£500 HD-capable receiver market, pre-outs (sadly) simply aren't a reality - manufacturers have to give up something to come in at that price point, and it seems that while @£400 receivers of yore had pre-outs, these models have HD and HDMI.
I agree, however, that this should have been more clearly explained. I've asked that it's flagged up more explicitly from here on in...
By the way Clare, no need to apologise, I know you are busy sorting out the fantasy football league prize!!
Sorry, just seen this.
In the current, sub£500 HD-capable receiver market, pre-outs (sadly) simply aren't a reality - manufacturers have to give up something to come in at that price point, and it seems that while @£400 receivers of yore had pre-outs, these models have HD and HDMI.
I agree, however, that this should have been more clearly explained. I've asked that it's flagged up more explicitly from here on in...
By the way Clare, no need to apologise, I know you are busy sorting out the fantasy football league prize!!
Gerrardasnails:The upcoming Sony 2400 has pre outs, upconversion, upscaling 1080p from analogue and four hdmi all for sub £500 (albeit a £1 or so)!
But we hadn't tested the Sony 2400ES - or even got a confirmed price - when we did the Group Test the Denon won.
We still haven't had it in our hands (though it's on its way) and are not going to pre-judge its performance based on tech-specs....
But we hadn't tested the Sony 2400ES - or even got a confirmed price - when we did the Group Test the Denon won.
We still haven't had it in our hands (though it's on its way) and are not going to pre-judge its performance based on tech-specs....
professorhat
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Exactly. I remember fr0g having the same argument, but, at the time, no AV receiver at the price offered all the things required from a great AV receiver and pre-outs. You don't dock a star for something that some people might want, you rate it at other receivers from the same level. Thus the 606 got 5 stars initially and then the Denon 1909 did. As I've said before, once WHF have reviewed an AV amp with the same movie performance as these two amps, and which also includes the same functionality as they do (e.g. HD audio, video upconversion / upscaling etc) and then on top also has pre-outs, then I'm sure the Onkyo and the Denon will drop a star. Until they do, then why should they?
Hems
Well-known member
Does any one know how the AVR 1909 would compare to say the AVR 3808? I ask because the Denon higher end models are not being updated this year.
le_vicar:Does any one know how the AVR 1909 would compare to say the AVR 3808? I ask because the Denon higher end models are not being updated this year.
I doubt it very much but I couldn't be sure. The 3808 cost over a grand and definitely has pre outs and HD audio and all the 1909 has. The 2808 also has more on offer apart from a measly 2 hdmi out.
I doubt it very much but I couldn't be sure. The 3808 cost over a grand and definitely has pre outs and HD audio and all the 1909 has. The 2808 also has more on offer apart from a measly 2 hdmi out.
Clare Newsome:
Gerrardasnails:The upcoming Sony 2400 has pre outs, upconversion, upscaling 1080p from analogue and four hdmi all for sub £500 (albeit a £1 or so)!
But we hadn't tested the Sony 2400ES - or even got a confirmed price - when we did the Group Test the Denon won.
We still haven't had it in our hands (though it's on its way) and are not going to pre-judge its performance based on tech-specs....
Fair enough. I understand what you are saying and what the prof said.
Gerrardasnails:The upcoming Sony 2400 has pre outs, upconversion, upscaling 1080p from analogue and four hdmi all for sub £500 (albeit a £1 or so)!
But we hadn't tested the Sony 2400ES - or even got a confirmed price - when we did the Group Test the Denon won.
We still haven't had it in our hands (though it's on its way) and are not going to pre-judge its performance based on tech-specs....
Fair enough. I understand what you are saying and what the prof said.
Andy Grange
Well-known member
Clare Newsome:
Gerrardasnails:The upcoming Sony 2400 has pre outs, upconversion, upscaling 1080p from analogue and four hdmi all for sub £500 (albeit a £1 or so)!
But we hadn't tested the Sony 2400ES - or even got a confirmed price - when we did the Group Test the Denon won.
We still haven't had it in our hands (though it's on its way) and are not going to pre-judge its performance based on tech-specs....
I was all set for the 2400ES (pending favourable reviews, of course) but found out yesterday night it doesn't have any zone 2 facilities. I guess I'm now taking a 200 quid hike and looking at the 3400ES as my potential receiver now.
Gerrardasnails:The upcoming Sony 2400 has pre outs, upconversion, upscaling 1080p from analogue and four hdmi all for sub £500 (albeit a £1 or so)!
But we hadn't tested the Sony 2400ES - or even got a confirmed price - when we did the Group Test the Denon won.
We still haven't had it in our hands (though it's on its way) and are not going to pre-judge its performance based on tech-specs....
I was all set for the 2400ES (pending favourable reviews, of course) but found out yesterday night it doesn't have any zone 2 facilities. I guess I'm now taking a 200 quid hike and looking at the 3400ES as my potential receiver now.
Sorry, new to the site, but I can't seem to find the review everyone is referring to. Also, any thoughts on how the AVR 1909 compares with the Sony DG920?
professorhat
Well-known member
I am planning to buy the 1909 tomorrow and would love to know what the review said, but my bookstores do not have the latest issue of the magazine. Can someone give me the gist of the review: how it stacked up against the Yamaha and Onkyo and the overall star rating?
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So, I'm guessing te answer to the is no but, can you not get pre-out splitters and split the sub pre-out?
professorhat
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Don Price:
I am planning to buy the 1909 tomorrow and would love to know what the review said, but my bookstores do not have the latest issue of the magazine. Can someone give me the gist of the review: how it stacked up against the Yamaha and Onkyo and the overall star rating?
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Well, Clare has already pointed out it won the group test and I've already mentioned it getting 5 stars...
I am planning to buy the 1909 tomorrow and would love to know what the review said, but my bookstores do not have the latest issue of the magazine. Can someone give me the gist of the review: how it stacked up against the Yamaha and Onkyo and the overall star rating?
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Thanks. . .ÿ
Well, Clare has already pointed out it won the group test and I've already mentioned it getting 5 stars...
Here's an extract from the Group Test verdict, which you'll only read in the mag (though the individual product reviews will be up online in the next week or so)
"Denon has emerged to snatch victory..but not without effort, however, and the improvements in the AVR-1909 over its predecessor have had to be of the fundamental variety.
Onkyo can take heart from the fact that Denon has had to meet it halfway: it's the addition of TX-SR606-esque drive that makes the AVR-1909 such a strong contender, but the Denon's extra richness and refinement (which is just as apparant when listening to music as to movies) that makes it the more enjoyable listen."
Onkyo retains 5 stars; Denon 5 stars and test win; Yamaha DSP-AX563 four stars.
"Denon has emerged to snatch victory..but not without effort, however, and the improvements in the AVR-1909 over its predecessor have had to be of the fundamental variety.
Onkyo can take heart from the fact that Denon has had to meet it halfway: it's the addition of TX-SR606-esque drive that makes the AVR-1909 such a strong contender, but the Denon's extra richness and refinement (which is just as apparant when listening to music as to movies) that makes it the more enjoyable listen."
Onkyo retains 5 stars; Denon 5 stars and test win; Yamaha DSP-AX563 four stars.
professorhat:It's in this month's issue of WHF magazine so will probably be uploaded to the site soonish.
Now that the September issue's been on sale for a couple of days, I'll post the Denon AVR-1909 review in full on the site later this evening.
Now that the September issue's been on sale for a couple of days, I'll post the Denon AVR-1909 review in full on the site later this evening.
Don Price:
I am planning to buy the 1909 tomorrow and would love to know what the review said, but my bookstores do not have the latest issue of the magazine. Can someone give me the gist of the review: how it stacked up against the Yamaha and Onkyo and the overall star rating?
Thanks. . .
I'm afraid you won't be able to buy a 1909 for quite a while. The first stocks are not expected to reach the UK until the end of August !
I am planning to buy the 1909 tomorrow and would love to know what the review said, but my bookstores do not have the latest issue of the magazine. Can someone give me the gist of the review: how it stacked up against the Yamaha and Onkyo and the overall star rating?
Thanks. . .
I'm afraid you won't be able to buy a 1909 for quite a while. The first stocks are not expected to reach the UK until the end of August !
Gerrardasnails:An excellent review but for me a flaw in it as with the Onkyo 606 review. Now I've gone on about this before but I really don't understand the reluctance to mention the LACK OF PRE OUTS!! We've had the award winning Onkyo 605 - fair enough it had HD audio and no other receiver in it's price range did. However now, most of the £350 - £500 receivers have HD audio and surely pre outs or lack of should be mentioned. What is particularly annoying with the 1909 is that the 1908 it superceded has got pre outs (just no HD decoding). Is it now down to the Sony 2400 to give us HD audio, upscaling, upconverting and pre outs - all for under £500. Will it get 6 stars??
Newbie question: What are pre outs? And how do they impact the overall sound quality? Is it a deal breaker? Thanks.
Newbie question: What are pre outs? And how do they impact the overall sound quality? Is it a deal breaker? Thanks.
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