Clearer Audio Silverline Optimus coaxial cable

[Audioholic2013]

Hi, I've been interested in this cable for some time. The spec is very impressive! It's had superlative reviews, including the review from WHF. Does anyone have experience of this cable?

 

[Gazzip]

Hi there,

Funnily enough I have a 1 metre long one of these about to go up for sale. If your system is overly bright then you may want to look elsewhere. If not then this cable really does bring the mids and highs out.

It did to my ears in my system anyway.

 

[TrevC]

Hi there,

Funnily enough I have a 1 metre long one of these about to go up for sale. If your system is overly bright then you may want to look elsewhere. If not then this cable really does bring the mids and highs out.

It did to my ears in my system anyway.

Something isn't overly bright here.

 

[Gazzip]

Hi there,

Funnily enough I have a 1 metre long one of these about to go up for sale. If your system is overly bright then you may want to look elsewhere. If not then this cable really does bring the mids and highs out.

It did to my ears in my system anyway.

Something isn't overly bright here.

The OP is asking for advice from somebody who has experience with this cable. You do not have said experience so why not just stay away from this thread.

At the end of the day I have my belief system, shared with others, and you have yours, also shared with others. Why don't we all just agree to disagree and move on.

You can then spend more of your time congratulating yourself on the savings you have made over those who buy expensive cables. Perhaps you could put it towards your next electricity meter top up or possibly heat the whole house next winter? In the meantime I can spend more of my time throwing away on complete frivolity the obscene amount of disposable wealth I have.

Whatdayasay? Deal?

 

[Audioholic2013]

Hi there,

Funnily enough I have a 1 metre long one of these about to go up for sale. If your system is overly bright then you may want to look elsewhere. If not then this cable really does bring the mids and highs out.

It did to my ears in my system anyway.

Thanks for the reply. Does this cable also sound musically involving? Does it convey more emotion in the music?

 

[Al ears]

Hi there,

Funnily enough I have a 1 metre long one of these about to go up for sale. If your system is overly bright then you may want to look elsewhere. If not then this cable really does bring the mids and highs out.

It did to my ears in my system anyway.

Thanks for the reply. Does this cable also sound musically involving? Does it convey more emotion in the music?

It is impossible for a cable to sound musically involving and also there isn't a cable in the world I know that can convey emotion.

Both of these are human traits and unknown in the cable world.

 

[Gazzip]

Difficult to say as those are personal responses. It is extremely revealing and was not very laid back in my system is all I can really add. When I bought it I had both the coaxial and the AES cables on home review and I prefered the coaxial which at half the price made the choice for me.

The great thing about Clearer Audio cables is that you can send it back for a refund if you don't like them. Give Darren there a call and be able to help you.

 

[Audioholic2013]

I disagree. I believe cables can bring out more emotion in the music. I've had cables that have revealed subtle inflections in the music that have helped to bring out more of an emotional connection with the music.

 

[TrevC]

Difficult to say as those are personal responses. It is extremely revealing and was not very laid back in my system is all I can really add. When I bought it I had both the coaxial and the AES cables on home review and I prefered the coaxial which at half the price made the choice for me.

The great thing about Clearer Audio cables is that you can send it back for a refund if you don't like them. Give Darren there a call and be able to help you.

Or, far better, don't waste your time or money buying such overpriced nonsense in the first place.

 

[radiorog]

Hi there,

Funnily enough I have a 1 metre long one of these about to go up for sale. If your system is overly bright then you may want to look elsewhere. If not then this cable really does bring the mids and highs out.

It did to my ears in my system anyway.

Something isn't overly bright here.

The OP is asking for advice from somebody who has experience with this cable. You do not have said experience so why not just stay away from this thread.

At the end of the day I have my belief system, shared with others, and you have yours, also shared with others. Why don't we all just agree to disagree and move on.

You can then spend more of your time congratulating yourself on the savings you have made over those who buy expensive cables. Perhaps you could put it towards your next electricity meter top up or possibly heat the whole house next winter? In the meantime I can spend more of my time throwing away on complete frivolity the obscene amount of disposable wealth I have.

Whatdayasay? Deal?

Well said that man.

When I first encountered Trev's views on cables, and his insistence on bombarding every thread, I genuinely believed he was a troll with absolutely no interest in HiFi, just someone who liked ruining other peoples enjoyment of discussing a hobby. I do believe now that he is genuine in his beliefs, but I think he oversteps the mark on etiquette by constantly jumping on every cable thread with personal attacks. I think if I was a moderator I would have had words a long time ago. I don't think it is wrong of trev to mention in every cable thread his beliefs that cables make no difference, but here he has shown that it only takes him two posts to start hurling abuse at members. Again, if I was a moderator I would be having words with him about this. It is not acceptable and I'm sure will be having a big impact on non regular forum readers in wanting to join the forum. They must be looking at these threads and thinking...jees, what a bunch of wallys.

 

[Audioholic2013]

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Or, far better, don't waste your time or money buying such overpriced nonsense in the first place.

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Why don't you stop trying to hijack my thread with your nonsense? It is clearly evident to me that cables can make an enormous difference to sound quailty. If you don't believe so, fine, that's your prerogative.

 

[radiorog]

All trev has to write to put his point across in these threads would be "I don't believe cables alter the sound quality of a HiFi system" and leave it at that, maybe with a link to a previous thread where he has voiced his opinions fully, or he could even have a cut and paste response he could use. But as soon as he starts insulting other members it is rude, and really brings the intelligence of the conversation right down.

At the end of the the day, these are simply Trev's opinions, they are not truths or facts like he seems to believe. If a cable company quotes something about a cable which he disagrees with, fine, he can disagree, but he has to factually prove the cable company is incorrect wholly in their claim before he can make such bold statements, and if he can make such a bold claim with gathered evidence and facts, then he has no difficulty in sending these results to the relative legal bodies who can force said cable companies to remove their claims.....until then, they are just his opinions, and he needs to grasp this concept, so we can carry on having fun, intelligent conversations.

 

[TrevC]

Hi there,

Funnily enough I have a 1 metre long one of these about to go up for sale. If your system is overly bright then you may want to look elsewhere. If not then this cable really does bring the mids and highs out.

It did to my ears in my system anyway.

Something isn't overly bright here.

The OP is asking for advice from somebody who has experience with this cable. You do not have said experience so why not just stay away from this thread.

At the end of the day I have my belief system, shared with others, and you have yours, also shared with others. Why don't we all just agree to disagree and move on.

You can then spend more of your time congratulating yourself on the savings you have made over those who buy expensive cables. Perhaps you could put it towards your next electricity meter top up or possibly heat the whole house next winter? In the meantime I can spend more of my time throwing away on complete frivolity the obscene amount of disposable wealth I have.

Whatdayasay? Deal?

Well said that man.

When I first encountered Trev's views on cables, and his insistence on bombarding every thread, I genuinely believed he was a troll with absolutely no interest in HiFi, just someone who liked ruining other peoples enjoyment of discussing a hobby. I do believe now that he is genuine in his beliefs, but I think he oversteps the mark on etiquette by constantly jumping on every cable thread with personal attacks. I think if I was a moderator I would have had words a long time ago. I don't think it is wrong of trev to mention in every cable thread his beliefs that cables make no difference, but here he has shown that it only takes him two posts to start hurling abuse at members. Again, if I was a moderator I would be having words with him about this. It is not acceptable and I'm sure will be having a big impact on non regular forum readers in wanting to join the forum. They must be looking at these threads and thinking...jees, what a bunch of wallys.

Rubbish. The only abuse hurlers on this forum are the cable believers like Thompson. Find me one message where I have hurled abuse. You won't be able to.

Anyone wanting to set up a system following the ludicrous and brainless assertions of the cable believers on here will be throwing their money away. It is the believers that are the aggressive and abusive ones.

 

[Deliriumbassist]

"Something isn't overly bright here" - a quote from this very thread- could be construed as calling the subject an idiot. Pretty sure that's some abuse hurled, albeit (thinly) veiled.

 

[radiorog]

Trev, come on, your very first post on this thread...."something isn't overly bright here" could be quite a whitty remark, but is also insulting, given that your next response is "you shouldn't waste money on such rubbish". It definitely cones across as rude and insulting. That is a fact! And I'm not going to go through all the threads, because I have better things to do, but I highly expect you and gazzip have a history of arguing, which therefore would make your first comment here,almost undeniably an insult.

 

[radiorog]

Also, calling anyone who believes cables makes a difference "brainless" is a definite insult. Fact number 2!

I tried to put it politely earlier trev, but using this language shows the real lack of intelligence. Your opinions, like the cable believers opinions, are just that, merely opinions, until you can prove the cable manufactures wrong in their claims, and then you will have the joy of taking them all to court with no chance of losing. Until then....you need to rein it in.

 

[fr0g]

Why don't you stop trying to hijack my thread with your nonsense? It is clearly evident to me that cables can make an enormous difference to sound quailty. If you don't believe so, fine, that's your prerogative.

Ok, I am a firm believer that cables make no difference, given that your reference point is one that has the suitable electrical properties.

However, I was like yourself. I changed a few times, heard subtle differences, that as you say gave more emotion to the music.

But eventually I decided to do a proper blind test and got someone to help me.

Of all the cables I tested (from around £1 a metre for generic, fairly thick multistrand OFC cable, to one that cost around £15-£20 a metre with fancy weaved sleeve and pro looking terminations.

When I didn't know which cable was being used, I could not tell the difference...That was my epiphany and "doh!" moment. I now use whichever is the easiest to hide. And am a lot happier for it.

Until you test it for yourself you will never know.

 

[radiorog]

Why don't you stop trying to hijack my thread with your nonsense? It is clearly evident to me that cables can make an enormous difference to sound quailty. If you don't believe so, fine, that's your prerogative.

Ok, I am a firm believer that cables make no difference, given that your reference point is one that has the suitable electrical properties.

However, I was like yourself. I changed a few times, heard subtle differences, that as you say gave more emotion to the music.

But eventually I decided to do a proper blind test and got someone to help me.

Of all the cables I tested (from around £1 a metre for generic, fairly thick multistrand OFC cable, to one that cost around £15-£20 a metre with fancy weaved sleeve and pro looking terminations.

When I didn't know which cable was being used, I could not tell the difference...That was my epiphany and "doh!" moment. I now use whichever is the easiest to hide. And am a lot happier for it.

Until you test it for yourself you will never know.

I thought we were talking interconnects here, not speaker cables? Two completely different topics.

 

[TrevC]

I tried to put it politely earlier trev, but using this language shows the real lack of intelligence. Your opinions, like the cable believers opinions, are just that, merely opinions, until you can prove the cable manufactures wrong in their claims, and then you will have the joy of taking them all to court with no chance of losing. Until then....you need to rein it in.

Not quite. It isn't just my opinion. It isn't merely subjective. Anyone that knows about anything about electronics can see right through all the implausible and impossible claims of these companies, but unfortunately the ASA is toothless and clueless. These companies can make any number of ridiculous claims and they get away with it. An example:

'The fact is though, that every element within a power cable will have some influence on the performance of the equipment it’s used with. Back in 2005 when we produced our first power cable we learned that every aspect of the termination mattered. The way the internal conductors were routed, the type and the direction of the fuse and strangest of all, the degree of torque applied to the screw that secures the cover of the plug to the main body.'

Utter tosh.

 

[radiorog]

I tried to put it politely earlier trev, but using this language shows the real lack of intelligence. Your opinions, like the cable believers opinions, are just that, merely opinions, until you can prove the cable manufactures wrong in their claims, and then you will have the joy of taking them all to court with no chance of losing. Until then....you need to rein it in.

Not quite. It isn't just my opinion. It isn't merely subjective. Anyone that knows about anything about electronics can see right through all the implausible and impossible claims of these companies, but unfortunately the ASA is toothless and clueless. These companies can make any number of ridiculous claims and they get away with it. An example:

'The fact is though, that every element within a power cable will have some influence on the performance of the equipment it’s used with. Back in 2005 when we produced our first power cable we learned that every aspect of the termination mattered. The way the internal conductors were routed, the type and the direction of the fuse and strangest of all, the degree of torque applied to the screw that secures the cover of the plug to the main body.'

Utter tosh.

Haha! OK, I see how that looks as total peter, but to claim it as undeniably false, as a matter of fact, you have to provide the evidence to prove it as wrong. Until then, it is just your opinion, and you cannot claim it as otherwise. When a new member comes looking for advice, facts should be presented as facts, and opinions as opinions, it is inaccurate to say something is a fact without the actual evidence, and I think it is this that is winding most people up.

 

[TrevC]

I tried to put it politely earlier trev, but using this language shows the real lack of intelligence. Your opinions, like the cable believers opinions, are just that, merely opinions, until you can prove the cable manufactures wrong in their claims, and then you will have the joy of taking them all to court with no chance of losing. Until then....you need to rein it in.

Not quite. It isn't just my opinion. It isn't merely subjective. Anyone that knows about anything about electronics can see right through all the implausible and impossible claims of these companies, but unfortunately the ASA is toothless and clueless. These companies can make any number of ridiculous claims and they get away with it. An example:

'The fact is though, that every element within a power cable will have some influence on the performance of the equipment it’s used with. Back in 2005 when we produced our first power cable we learned that every aspect of the termination mattered. The way the internal conductors were routed, the type and the direction of the fuse and strangest of all, the degree of torque applied to the screw that secures the cover of the plug to the main body.'

Utter tosh.

Haha! OK, I see how that looks as total peter, but to claim it as undeniably false, as a matter of fact, you have to provide the evidence to prove it as wrong. Until then, it is just your opinion, and you cannot claim it as otherwise. When a new member comes looking for advice, facts should be presented as facts, and opinions as opinions, it is inaccurate to say something is a fact without the actual evidence, and I think it is this that is winding most people up.

There are people that deny the fact and theory of evolution in favour of a variety of imaginary being. This discussion is starting to look very similar.

Of course it's a fact that the direction of a fuse doesn't affect a mains lead. How can it?!!!!! The mains lead can't affect anything at all unless it's faulty in some way. Fact!

 

[abacus]

Do a quick search on the web and you will find plenty of scientific tests that prove the point that once all outside cues are removed, listeners cannot hear any difference. (They are scientifically proven fact, not opinion)

If you have worked in electrical/electronics you are also familiar how a cable works, and once again very few of the claims of cable manufactures hold water.

You will not find the specialists cables mentioned used in any professional Film or Music Production Studio, and if they don't see them as making an improvement, then neither will they in Hi Fi equipment. (Which is usually of much lesser quality than pro equipment)

As always, try before you buy, as while cables don't make a difference, if you think they do, then you may feel happier which will make music listening more pleasurable. (Peoples feeling for things cannot be measured as yet)

Providing they have been made aware of the facts, (And others opinions) then the final decision is with the user, if their happy, then thats all that's required.

Bill

 

[radiorog]

I tried to put it politely earlier trev, but using this language shows the real lack of intelligence. Your opinions, like the cable believers opinions, are just that, merely opinions, until you can prove the cable manufactures wrong in their claims, and then you will have the joy of taking them all to court with no chance of losing. Until then....you need to rein it in.

Not quite. It isn't just my opinion. It isn't merely subjective. Anyone that knows about anything about electronics can see right through all the implausible and impossible claims of these companies, but unfortunately the ASA is toothless and clueless. These companies can make any number of ridiculous claims and they get away with it. An example:

'The fact is though, that every element within a power cable will have some influence on the performance of the equipment it’s used with. Back in 2005 when we produced our first power cable we learned that every aspect of the termination mattered. The way the internal conductors were routed, the type and the direction of the fuse and strangest of all, the degree of torque applied to the screw that secures the cover of the plug to the main body.'

Utter tosh.

Haha! OK, I see how that looks as total peter, but to claim it as undeniably false, as a matter of fact, you have to provide the evidence to prove it as wrong. Until then, it is just your opinion, and you cannot claim it as otherwise. When a new member comes looking for advice, facts should be presented as facts, and opinions as opinions, it is inaccurate to say something is a fact without the actual evidence, and I think it is this that is winding most people up.

There are people that deny the fact and theory of evolution in favour of a variety of imaginary being. This discussion is starting to look very similar.

Of course it's a fact that the direction of a fuse doesn't affect a mains lead. How can it?!!!!! The mains lead can't affect anything at all unless it's faulty in some way. Fact!

Why are you now bringing religion into it, and actually pointing the finger at me as if to say I am religious, and you claiming it as derogatory in the process. THAT...is very insulting! Mostly to yourself though trev, and I guess that is what hurts. You are trying to bring religion into a HiFi argument. That shows lack of clarity as well.

OK, so you claim it as a fact, this where you are wrong as you know, like you said_it is merely subjective. If it is fact, I am sure you are now going to post the results from the properly controlled experiments that show that fuse direction does not alter sound quality in any perceivable way.

Until you provide this evidence trev, you cannot claim it as a fact. Fact! You can however say it is most likely a fact.

 

[radiorog]

Do a quick search on the web and you will find plenty of scientific tests that prove the point that once all outside cues are removed, listeners cannot hear any difference. (They are scientifically proven fact, not opinion)

If you have worked in electrical/electronics you are also familiar how a cable works, and once again very few of the claims of cable manufactures hold water.

You will not find the specialists cables mentioned used in any professional Film or Music Production Studio, and if they don't see them as making an improvement, then neither will they in Hi Fi equipment. (Which is usually of much lesser quality than pro equipment)

As always, try before you buy, as while cables don't make a difference, if you think they do, then you may feel happier which will make music listening more pleasurable. (Peoples feeling for things cannot be measured as yet)

Providing they have been made aware of the facts, (And others opinions) then the final decision is with the user, if their happy, then thats all that's required.

Bill

Well, as I have mentioned many times on here, I have owned interconnects where I am 99% sure icould tell the difference blindfolded again and again. They were so obviously different. Now...all my interconnects have been under £50 and I wouldn't spend more than this, but two cables can sound different. If I can find a pair of these old interconnects I had, I am tempted to buy them and conduct this experiment for you.

 

[Gazzip]

There are people that deny the fact and theory of evolution in favour of a variety of imaginary being. This discussion is starting to look very similar.

Of course it's a fact that the direction of a fuse doesn't affect a mains lead. How can it?!!!!! The mains lead can't affect anything at all unless it's faulty in some way. Fact!

Why you get so upset about what people hold as their personal beliefs is what I don't get. Hifi. Religion. Cables. The subject doesn't seem to matter. You cannot have been so belligerent when you were in employment or you would have been dismissed. You can't do it with Mrs C or you would be divorced. Why behave like this on here?