- May 8, 2010
currently got my centre speaker which the B&W htm62 (i think) set too small on my amp. Vocals seem to lack a bit of volume. Was wondering if this should be set to large?
currently using the denon 2310. Fronts are 684 and set to large while rears are 686's and set as small not sure about the crossover pioint but havent change that since i bought the system will check when i get home.FrankHarveyHiFi said:My rule is that if it's smaller than the front pair, regardless of what the manufacturer claims it to do, it should be set to small (assuming of course, the front pair are being set to large).
I tend to set all speakers to small anyway, regardless of their size - I'd set the Blades to small as well - but obviously I'd set e fairly low crossover point.
In your case Soopafly, we don't know which AV receiver you have, or how you currently have it set up. What crossover point are you using for it? Have you run an auto setup? If so, have you changed any settings since doing that? I usually tend to find adding 1dB to the centre brings it out nicely. Many auto setups tend to set it a tad low, in my opinion. This may be great for L/C/R blending, but some dialogue can be lost in action scenes.
chris hollands said:Hi David,
I have a Yamaha RX-V3067, if i do the auto set up and then change my Centre from big to small will it nock the settings out of sync , Also , should i set all my speakers to small ?
Thanks for your help.
Atanas Rangelov said:Yes I agree , and I got use to it actually ( to do adjustments of the Center`s level ) , but isn`t it a bit harmful for the speaker itself that it`s level is set to + 8 db at times ? How about bi-wiring the center ? Would that give it that extra power ? It will be interesting to hear your thoughts on that . Thanks a lot
Cliff1 said:Hi David
I have a Yamaha DSP-AX863SE,front L/R areLinn Komponent110,centre is the 106,basically the same speakers,output is the same.I don't have a sub/w so the bass goes through the front 2.If i set the the amp, bass to front 2 i can't change the fronts to small,i can if i set the bass to output to the fronts & a s/w,which i suspect is not the thing to do.
I can change the centre to small but not the fronts if set to output the bass.Cross over is at 90 when auto set up is run.I invariably end up changing the centre volume because of film soundtracks not breing clear.
The bluray is connected to the amp by hdmi as is the vision box & a hard disk recorder,then connected to the tv by hdmi from the amp.Any suggestions on improving sound from the centre appreciated,basic tv sound from any source is generally not a problem,sound from the tv tuners is from optical, tv to amp.
Soopafly49 said:currently using the denon 2310. Fronts are 684 and set to large while rears are 686's and set as small not sure about the crossover pioint but havent change that since i bought the system will check when i get home.
Thanks guys. does anyone know if saved settings, assuming I can save them, will be lost by turning of at the plug don't leave things on standby.not sure if this is a silly question but hey.LaGazole said:Hi Soopafly49,
Just to say then I experienced the same as you, so I read a lots about that and experienced an unumbered configurations.
Maybe this could help you: Movies are registred at 85 dB...much more then normal listening.
That mean you will have the good scale at this volume. Like that, you're surrounded by a field of sound like movie producer would like to give us. If you try to tested it, you will see than everything come in place: clear voice, soundstage, punch and for sure, angry neirbourgs!
All said, I don't thing that resolved your trouble!
Now, two ways of thinking:
1. THX. All speakers setting at 80 Hz crossover and the sub manage everything under 80 Hz.
2. Audyssey. Each speakers get a setting corresponding to their characteristic via a sound test through listening points. That based on time delay, individual speaker capacity and volume registred at listening points.
You could have more details on audyssey.com (good reading)
I know then setting are different on each receiver and not all of them had audyssey. So, if you does'nt have audyssey on your receiver, I suggest to set all speakers to small ( THX configuration ) where small mean 80 Hz crossover. And finally, increase yourself the center channel at your listening taste. Find movies with sound action surrounding ex: A vehicule passing through left to right must have the volume intensity in the center then left and right. Do it at your principal listening volume and fine tune the sub volume. must be good.
In my case (opinion), I prefer audyssey setting. By taking care of the speakers characteristics and the time delay, you get the best of the two worlds ( why spend money to expensive speakers to cut it's at 80 Hz ? ). Low frequencys are distributed all arround and the sub get less ''overloaded''. That give you more precision and reduced the muuuuddddyy bass!!! Again, you gonna have to adjust the center channel to your listening volume and some fine tunning and go!
Good luck with your setting,
Give me feed back if that help you.
Atanas Rangelov said:It is very interesting that you are advising Sopafly49 to set the fronts to Small. The 684 are quite big speakers as are my Mezzo 6. What would be the difference if we change from Large to Small... What is the logic in that. Thanks a lot once again
FrankHarveyHiFi said:Soopafly49 said:currently using the denon 2310. Fronts are 684 and set to large while rears are 686's and set as small not sure about the crossover pioint but havent change that since i bought the system will check when i get home.
Technically, the centre should be set to small as its smaller than the front pair, but if you check the specs, they use the same drivers, so as far as volume and headroom are concerned, they're the same. The front left and right will reach deeper because of the extra cabinet volume, but that's not going to affect what the speaker can do as far as volume is concerned. Personally I'd set them both to small, at a crossover point of about 60 or 70Hz, and let the sub take some of the load. The 686's use the same size drivers, but only have a single bass driver, so they've not got the headroom that the 684's have. I'd set the to about 80 or 90Hz.
The higher the crossover point, the less excursion on the bass driver (travel), the further you can push them. Just don't take that recommendation to extremes, unless your receiver is up to it!
Lets say I set the speakers this way with fronts and centre at 80hz so the sub handles all the lower frequencys. I take it that would mean that the sub will be kicking harder as there is less bass coming fronts. will the sub be kicking as much as if I had the fronts on full band? so in theory Ive just got bass coming from the one sub rather than all three. Considering neibourghs and all
With Audyssey, it's worth doing a couple of auto setups, especially if you can save them to presets, as mainstream Audyssey can be a little inconsistent sometimes. If you can save them to memory, try doing three, then have a look at the differences between them! You can choose which you prefer, then tweak from there.