Cable Debates

strobo

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I don't think I'm the only one who is becoming frustrated at reading interesting threads, only to find a cable nay-sayer turning a healthy discussion and constructive advice about cable preferences turn into a debate on the validity of cable changes.

Based on this I have a suggestion...

Firstly, could a new forum category be set up to include cables only? Within here cable "discussion" can take place, and the nay-sayers are not welcome. If they disagree with the idea that cables make a difference then they should stay away.

Alternatively, could threads on cables be marked as such in the header, and the same rules apply? Kind of an "Only constructive comments need be submitted here" rule.

The cable nay-sayers have nothing of any validity to say, and seem to be spoiling the forum for everybody else. What they forget, when genuine people on here say they can hear a difference in their cables is that we as hi-fi people are in a minority. I bet upwards of 95% of the population of the UK think we're mad for spending what we do on hi-fi because they believe it can't sound any better than a cheap and cheerful Argos-bought mini-system. OUR EARS tell us different, and we have to trust them. Or maybe we're ALL deluding ourselves in hearing a better sound from genuine hi-fi, convinced that the improvements are there simply because we've spent thousand of pounds, rather than tens of pounds.

I for one want to see an end to peoples genuine experiences being shot down by a small number of narrow-minded individuals who it appears are to scared to put their money where their mouths are, and prove to themselves whether their views are correct.

End of rant.
 
all the cables in the hifi fraternity and hifi are only as good as whats fed to them
ie music, bad recordings=bad sound=sore head imo..
 
sorry, i disagree. while it does get boring that all the cable debates seem to end up in mud slinging, this is a forum for all opinions. i think the main problem is very few people are willing to let anyone else have the last word when they have a strong opinion on it themselves. the best advice for anyone interested in the differences or otherwise between cables, would be, decide for yourself.

i should add, as far as i can remember, i've never contributed to a cable thread. although i've enjoyed reading them upto the point where they start going round in circles.
 
i disagree, i think we should just get rid of them and anyone who starts such a thread should be permanently banned with imediate effect, and that there should be a sticky thread showing why.

Also, it is clear the OP here has an axe to grind and must know that saying that the naysayers have nothing valid to say is inflamatory.

And this from someone who doesnt claim to understand the science (most who do are wrong), nor give much of a toss really...its just so boring, then frustrating, then murderous rage inducing, then boring, then repeat to fade...

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Why not have 2 seperate sections to the cable debate? ~ Those that believe and those that dont (Though I suspect the doubters wont have much to say on their thread)
 
Why not start a cable appreciation club!
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The rule's of "The cable appreciation club"...............

#1 - The first rule of The cable appreciation club is, you do not talk about The cable appreciation club.
#2 - The second rule of The cable appreciation club is, you DO NOT talk about The cable appreciation club.
#3 - If someone says stop,the debate is over,and the thread will be locked..
#4 - Two guys to a debate..
#5 - One debate at a time.
#6 - No science,only opinions
#7 - Debates will go on as long as they have to.
#8 - If this is your first night at The cable appreciation club, you have to debate
 
strobo:I don't think I'm the only one who is becoming frustrated at reading interesting threads, only to find a cable nay-sayer turning a healthy discussion and constructive advice about cable preferences turn into a debate on the validity of cable changes. Based on this I have a suggestion... Firstly, could a new forum category be set up to include cables only? Within here cable "discussion" can take place, and the nay-sayers are not welcome. If they disagree with the idea that cables make a difference then they should stay away. Alternatively, could threads on cables be marked as such in the header, and the same rules apply? Kind of an "Only constructive comments need be submitted here" rule. The cable nay-sayers have nothing of any validity to say, and seem to be spoiling the forum for everybody else. What they forget, when genuine people on here say they can hear a difference in their cables is that we as hi-fi people are in a minority. I bet upwards of 95% of the population of the UK think we're mad for spending what we do on hi-fi because they believe it can't sound any better than a cheap and cheerful Argos-bought mini-system. OUR EARS tell us different, and we have to trust them. Or maybe we're ALL deluding ourselves in hearing a better sound from genuine hi-fi, convinced that the improvements are there simply because we've spent thousand of pounds, rather than tens of pounds. I for one want to see an end to peoples genuine experiences being shot down by a small number of narrow-minded individuals who it appears are to scared to put their money where their mouths are, and prove to themselves whether their views are correct. End of rant.

Quite right Strobo.

If someone has no interest in cables, especially those who feel it's all snakeoil then they should refrain from posting when people who do believe and are in the market for advice want to speak to like-minded individuals.

Every hi-fi mag in the country has sections on cables and reviews of cables that are all different and make a difference. Witness the reviews section up above. I also know because I have ears.

If you have no interest in cables, then please don't open a cable thread or pass judgement on something. I personally have stopped passing judgement on computer/DAC sources as I don't have the experience in this market. It's up to cable-sceptics to do the same on threads that we like.

Let's have an end to any arguing and start to help each other once again.
 
i dont take part in the cable debates as i know nothing about it and have not had enough listening experience to make my mind up. i do find them entertaining though.

i completely agree that the debates do end up in slagging matches, but both sides are guilty of this, the 'beleivers' and 'non-beleivers' are equaly as quilty of resorting to personal insults.

where a cable question is asked by someone who already beleives they do make a difference, then i agree that it is inproper and useless for 'non beleivers' to jump in and try to convince them otherwise.

the problem is though, not all new questions are asked by people who have made their mind up either way, such as ''do xxxxx really make a difference?''. in these instances it is only right that both sides of the argument are allowed to be voiced. if only replies saying 'yes it does' were allowed then this forum would not be a valid source of advice anymore.

i dont think there is a need for more rules regarding cable questions, i think that every single poster needs to take responsibility for their own actions and not resort to personal insults. Maybe have a yellow card system? one insult and you get a warning, a second and instant banning from the site?
 
You would be a good member of the Taliban. Those who do not agree with you are not entitled to express their opinion? That makes for a really interesting debate...
 
hammill:You would be a good member of the Taliban. Those who do not agree with you are not entitled to express their opinion? That makes for a really interesting debate...

Ooo, that kind of talk could turn this cable debate debate into a cable debate-like, er, debate.

So be careful, gentlemen, please, or this could go the way of so many others...
 
Yes, please don't start throwing insults at each other, or the thread will be locked or deleted and then everyone can start another debate about censorship which will then itself be locked or deleted.
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