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I'll have a stab.
Basically, it means the system is treble-y. it would probably be very detailed, but would, in extreme circumstances (tho obviously there are degrees of brightness), threaten to make your ears bleed.
Audition a song like alanis morisette's thank u, or i think its called forgive me love (the bonus a capella track from her Jagged Little Pill album, and you'll see what i mean. i intend to use those two tracks next time i audition, but i digress.
anyway, better answers will be forthcoming, im sure.
Basically, it means the system is treble-y. it would probably be very detailed, but would, in extreme circumstances (tho obviously there are degrees of brightness), threaten to make your ears bleed.
Audition a song like alanis morisette's thank u, or i think its called forgive me love (the bonus a capella track from her Jagged Little Pill album, and you'll see what i mean. i intend to use those two tracks next time i audition, but i digress.
anyway, better answers will be forthcoming, im sure.
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Yep, cymbals, hi-hats etc will all sound very forward. In overly-bright systems, they will sound uncomfortably loud compared with the rest of the instruments, and can (if distortion sets in) actually be painful to listen to.
But one man's bright is another man's detailed and clear, so it's down to your ears to decide!
But one man's bright is another man's detailed and clear, so it's down to your ears to decide!
In the good old days before minimalism was king you had a nice pair of knobs you could twiddle to adjust the sound. Happy days!
Simple question, difficult to answer!
Being a lover of fine wine I think their are similarities in analyzing between the two.
1st impressions, does it have a good natural balance, depth, detail?
Is the music coloured/tainted in any way?
Is the music clouded, playing behind a vail?
Tiring on the ears? Due to harshness, brittleness, timing issues.
If it is all good, as with wine you want to enjoy the rest of the bottle, and with the music sit down and enjoy the rest of the album and forget what else you planned to do, this is more important!
(Then you get into trouble with the Wife!) Ha Ha
As to Brightness, I would say the treble sounds forward against the mid range. (not a good balance) Could this be the fault of the mids due to lack of detail, openness?
Or treble sounding harsh on the ears, as against sweet. Both can be revealing but one sounds nice and the other not! Speaker cable can make a noticeable difference here.
Ah music, it's so wonderful when you get it right.
Being a lover of fine wine I think their are similarities in analyzing between the two.
1st impressions, does it have a good natural balance, depth, detail?
Is the music coloured/tainted in any way?
Is the music clouded, playing behind a vail?
Tiring on the ears? Due to harshness, brittleness, timing issues.
If it is all good, as with wine you want to enjoy the rest of the bottle, and with the music sit down and enjoy the rest of the album and forget what else you planned to do, this is more important!
(Then you get into trouble with the Wife!) Ha Ha
As to Brightness, I would say the treble sounds forward against the mid range. (not a good balance) Could this be the fault of the mids due to lack of detail, openness?
Or treble sounding harsh on the ears, as against sweet. Both can be revealing but one sounds nice and the other not! Speaker cable can make a noticeable difference here.
Ah music, it's so wonderful when you get it right.
Thanks for your answers everyone. I'm currently listening to Alanis Morissette's Jagged little Pill CD which certainly is a harsh sounding recording to my ears.
You see all manner of terms used to describe the sound of components and complete systems such as warm, bright, dry etc etc but I guess other factors come into play to affect the sound such as furnishings, size and shape of room plus of course personal taste.
Is there a hifi boff's dictionary out there somewhere? If not there should be.
David
You see all manner of terms used to describe the sound of components and complete systems such as warm, bright, dry etc etc but I guess other factors come into play to affect the sound such as furnishings, size and shape of room plus of course personal taste.
Is there a hifi boff's dictionary out there somewhere? If not there should be.
David
One tip if your stand mount speakers are sounding a bit 'bright,' turn them upside down! (with the tweater nearest the floor)
Thanks for the tip Trevor79,
Does that mean I have to sit upside down too? Drinking my glass of red might get a bit tricky.
Seriously though, I guess I was just fielding the question to learn more about hi fi terminology. I'm pretty new to this hi fi business and although I seem to be doing loads of review reading some of the terms can be a bit confusing even if at first they seem obvious. Bright to me simply means that the treble is pushed too far forward so as to upset the overall balance of the sound but then that raises the question, what is treble? Are we talking about a wide range of high frequencies or just the very highest ones? Also if a reviewer talks about how much detail is presented, is that dependant on how bright the system is? To me (given my limited undersatnding) if a system is not bright then it might miss out on high frequency details.
Does that mean I have to sit upside down too? Drinking my glass of red might get a bit tricky.
Seriously though, I guess I was just fielding the question to learn more about hi fi terminology. I'm pretty new to this hi fi business and although I seem to be doing loads of review reading some of the terms can be a bit confusing even if at first they seem obvious. Bright to me simply means that the treble is pushed too far forward so as to upset the overall balance of the sound but then that raises the question, what is treble? Are we talking about a wide range of high frequencies or just the very highest ones? Also if a reviewer talks about how much detail is presented, is that dependant on how bright the system is? To me (given my limited undersatnding) if a system is not bright then it might miss out on high frequency details.
The thing I always do is trust my ears!
You instinctively know when it sounds spot on, that's until you go and listen to a very, very good set up.
Then the realisation hits you of what a musical performance is!
Red wine man eh, that's cost me more money over the years than Hi Fi! ;-)
You instinctively know when it sounds spot on, that's until you go and listen to a very, very good set up.
Then the realisation hits you of what a musical performance is!
Red wine man eh, that's cost me more money over the years than Hi Fi! ;-)
Yes I guess you're right about trusting your own ears. However there is a big difference between a half hour listen in a dealers dem room and living with the kit long term. The acoustics of your own listening room are going to be very different to the hi fi shop, also the characteristics of the sound that first impressed could (to the inexperienced) be the very characteristics that become fatiguing, especially as dealers don't tend to let you keep equipment on loan for more than a day or so if your lucky to get a home dem in the first place. moan moan!
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trevor79:One tip if your stand mount speakers are sounding a bit 'bright,' turn them upside down! (with the tweater nearest the floor)
Rega already did that with my R3's 🙂 They put the midrange speaker above the tweeter and slapped the bass drivers on the sides and the port vents at the front near the floor. A most eccentric but effective solution to all sorts of ills. Just like someone from Rega Research had popped in to my living room - when I was out - to design a bespoke speaker solution especially for me! (I think they are that good.)
Rega already did that with my R3's 🙂 They put the midrange speaker above the tweeter and slapped the bass drivers on the sides and the port vents at the front near the floor. A most eccentric but effective solution to all sorts of ills. Just like someone from Rega Research had popped in to my living room - when I was out - to design a bespoke speaker solution especially for me! (I think they are that good.)
Bright is a tendency towards the higher frequencies, and too bright becomes harsh (ie when all components are bright then you can get a nasty sound)
chebby:trevor79:One tip if your stand mount speakers are sounding a bit 'bright,' turn them upside down! (with the tweater nearest the floor)
Rega already did that with my R3's 🙂 They put the midrange speaker above the tweeter and slapped the bass drivers on the sides and the port vents at the front near the floor. A most eccentric but effective solution to all sorts of ills. Just like someone from Rega Research had popped in to my living room - when I was out - to design a bespoke speaker solution especially for me! (I think they are that good.)
But what really smart companies do, is stick the tweeter in the middle of the mid/bass driver for proper realism. I havn't found my metal domed, dual-concentric, QED wired, CD fed, not run in KEF IQ30s to be bright at all, and I found my Mission E30s with their upside down layout to be bright...
Rega already did that with my R3's 🙂 They put the midrange speaker above the tweeter and slapped the bass drivers on the sides and the port vents at the front near the floor. A most eccentric but effective solution to all sorts of ills. Just like someone from Rega Research had popped in to my living room - when I was out - to design a bespoke speaker solution especially for me! (I think they are that good.)
But what really smart companies do, is stick the tweeter in the middle of the mid/bass driver for proper realism. I havn't found my metal domed, dual-concentric, QED wired, CD fed, not run in KEF IQ30s to be bright at all, and I found my Mission E30s with their upside down layout to be bright...
Hughes123:chebby:trevor79:One tip if your stand mount speakers are sounding a bit 'bright,' turn them upside down! (with the tweater nearest the floor)
Rega already did that with my R3's 🙂 They put the midrange speaker above the tweeter and slapped the bass drivers on the sides and the port vents at the front near the floor. A most eccentric but effective solution to all sorts of ills. Just like someone from Rega Research had popped in to my living room - when I was out - to design a bespoke speaker solution especially for me! (I think they are that good.)
But what really smart companies do, is stick the tweeter in the middle of the mid/bass driver for proper realism. I havn't found my metal domed, dual-concentric, QED wired, CD fed, not run in KEF IQ30s to be bright at all, and I found my Mission E30s with their upside down layout to be bright...
Ok..... We get it. You like your Kefs.
;-)
Rega already did that with my R3's 🙂 They put the midrange speaker above the tweeter and slapped the bass drivers on the sides and the port vents at the front near the floor. A most eccentric but effective solution to all sorts of ills. Just like someone from Rega Research had popped in to my living room - when I was out - to design a bespoke speaker solution especially for me! (I think they are that good.)
But what really smart companies do, is stick the tweeter in the middle of the mid/bass driver for proper realism. I havn't found my metal domed, dual-concentric, QED wired, CD fed, not run in KEF IQ30s to be bright at all, and I found my Mission E30s with their upside down layout to be bright...
Ok..... We get it. You like your Kefs.
;-)
its all for music:
Here's a fundamental question.
What is meant by the term 'bright?
Toppy, Tinny, Trebley, Harsh, Shrill, Sharp, Lean.
Here's a fundamental question.
What is meant by the term 'bright?
Toppy, Tinny, Trebley, Harsh, Shrill, Sharp, Lean.
chebby
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Hughes123:But what really smart companies do, is stick the tweeter in the middle of the mid/bass driver for proper realism. I havn't found my metal domed, dual-concentric, QED wired, CD fed, not run in KEF IQ30s to be bright at all, and I found my Mission E30s with their upside down layout to be bright...
Done that, been there. I used to run a pair of these back in the 1990s (With Rega amplification and turntable) and they sounded jolly nice....
http://www.kef.com/history/1990_2/q_series/Q35point2.asp
Not a new concept. Tannoy were doing this back in my grandfather's day. (Think of the Tannoy IIILZ)
Done that, been there. I used to run a pair of these back in the 1990s (With Rega amplification and turntable) and they sounded jolly nice....
http://www.kef.com/history/1990_2/q_series/Q35point2.asp
Not a new concept. Tannoy were doing this back in my grandfather's day. (Think of the Tannoy IIILZ)
Big Chris:its all for music:
Here's a fundamental question.
What is meant by the term 'bright?
Toppy, Tinny, Trebley, Harsh, Shrill, Sharp, Lean.
Don't fully agree with this; here's a paradox I once experienced in my system:
A long time ago I bought a fairly costly Pioneer DV-535 DVD player to replace my 11 year old CD player for music and movies in one go. I couldn't get used to the quite 'bright' sound. Now bright as in very clear, very 3D (the 535 at the time had a 24bit/192khz DAC which Pioneer emphasised) and my ears were not used to such explicit clarity. At first I thought it did not sound very musical.
I then purchased a new NAD C521BEE for music duty, and boy was I disappointed. Firstly it had a very centre-based stereo focus which I abhorred, and worse - while it had bags of bass and was more a bit more 'musical', it's treble was harsh where my ears would hurt - and yet it was not as clear and 3d as the Pioneer.
So I flogged it, stuck with the Pioneer and eventually my ears got used to it. It's what I would term 'bright' but certainly did not hurt my ears like the NAD.
I concede that maybe this flaw would have subsided with 'burning-in' or maybe better ancilliaries, or maybe it just didn't like my amp, but I didn't want to wait that long. Trust me - my ears were relieved to hear the Pioneer again.
So in a nutshell yes, I would include most of your descriptions but 'bright' does not have to mean 'harsh'.
Oh and BTW if you absolutely want to know if a system will ultimately tear your ears out I will suggest spinning David Bowie's Scary Monsters CD. A brilliant album but also one where David's vocals would reveal the treble quality in your system quicker than you can say 'hiss'.
Here's a fundamental question.
What is meant by the term 'bright?
Toppy, Tinny, Trebley, Harsh, Shrill, Sharp, Lean.
Don't fully agree with this; here's a paradox I once experienced in my system:
A long time ago I bought a fairly costly Pioneer DV-535 DVD player to replace my 11 year old CD player for music and movies in one go. I couldn't get used to the quite 'bright' sound. Now bright as in very clear, very 3D (the 535 at the time had a 24bit/192khz DAC which Pioneer emphasised) and my ears were not used to such explicit clarity. At first I thought it did not sound very musical.
I then purchased a new NAD C521BEE for music duty, and boy was I disappointed. Firstly it had a very centre-based stereo focus which I abhorred, and worse - while it had bags of bass and was more a bit more 'musical', it's treble was harsh where my ears would hurt - and yet it was not as clear and 3d as the Pioneer.
So I flogged it, stuck with the Pioneer and eventually my ears got used to it. It's what I would term 'bright' but certainly did not hurt my ears like the NAD.
I concede that maybe this flaw would have subsided with 'burning-in' or maybe better ancilliaries, or maybe it just didn't like my amp, but I didn't want to wait that long. Trust me - my ears were relieved to hear the Pioneer again.
So in a nutshell yes, I would include most of your descriptions but 'bright' does not have to mean 'harsh'.
Oh and BTW if you absolutely want to know if a system will ultimately tear your ears out I will suggest spinning David Bowie's Scary Monsters CD. A brilliant album but also one where David's vocals would reveal the treble quality in your system quicker than you can say 'hiss'.
manicm:Big Chris:its all for music:
Here's a fundamental question.
What is meant by the term 'bright?
Toppy, Tinny, Trebley, Harsh, Shrill, Sharp, Lean.
Don't fully agree with this; here's a paradox I once experienced in my system:
A long time ago I bought a fairly costly Pioneer DV-535 DVD player to replace my 11 year old CD player for music and movies in one go. I couldn't get used to the quite 'bright' sound. Now bright as in very clear, very 3D (the 535 at the time had a 24bit/192khz DAC which Pioneer emphasised) and my ears were not used to such explicit clarity. At first I thought it did not sound very musical.
I then purchased a new NAD C521BEE for music duty, and boy was I disappointed. Firstly it had a very centre-based stereo focus which I abhorred, and worse - while it had bags of bass and was more a bit more 'musical', it's treble was harsh where my ears would hurt - and yet it was not as clear and 3d as the Pioneer.
So I flogged it, stuck with the Pioneer and eventually my ears got used to it. It's what I would term 'bright' but certainly did not hurt my ears like the NAD.
I concede that maybe this flaw would have subsided with 'burning-in' or maybe better ancilliaries, or maybe it just didn't like my amp, but I didn't want to wait that long. Trust me - my ears were relieved to hear the Pioneer again.
Oh and BTW if you absolutely want to know if a system will ultimately tear your ears out I will suggest spinning David Bowie's Scary Monsters CD. A brilliant album but also one where David's vocals would reveal the treble quality in your system quicker than you can say 'hiss'.
I have a Pioneer DV-444 (the slim and older version) which is also very good. It upsamples to the same rate as yours, also. I'm selling it to a friend of mine who will probably appreciate it more than me, considering I have an Arcam CD73.
Here's a fundamental question.
What is meant by the term 'bright?
Toppy, Tinny, Trebley, Harsh, Shrill, Sharp, Lean.
Don't fully agree with this; here's a paradox I once experienced in my system:
A long time ago I bought a fairly costly Pioneer DV-535 DVD player to replace my 11 year old CD player for music and movies in one go. I couldn't get used to the quite 'bright' sound. Now bright as in very clear, very 3D (the 535 at the time had a 24bit/192khz DAC which Pioneer emphasised) and my ears were not used to such explicit clarity. At first I thought it did not sound very musical.
I then purchased a new NAD C521BEE for music duty, and boy was I disappointed. Firstly it had a very centre-based stereo focus which I abhorred, and worse - while it had bags of bass and was more a bit more 'musical', it's treble was harsh where my ears would hurt - and yet it was not as clear and 3d as the Pioneer.
So I flogged it, stuck with the Pioneer and eventually my ears got used to it. It's what I would term 'bright' but certainly did not hurt my ears like the NAD.
I concede that maybe this flaw would have subsided with 'burning-in' or maybe better ancilliaries, or maybe it just didn't like my amp, but I didn't want to wait that long. Trust me - my ears were relieved to hear the Pioneer again.
Oh and BTW if you absolutely want to know if a system will ultimately tear your ears out I will suggest spinning David Bowie's Scary Monsters CD. A brilliant album but also one where David's vocals would reveal the treble quality in your system quicker than you can say 'hiss'.
I have a Pioneer DV-444 (the slim and older version) which is also very good. It upsamples to the same rate as yours, also. I'm selling it to a friend of mine who will probably appreciate it more than me, considering I have an Arcam CD73.
manicm:
Oh and BTW if you absolutely want to know if a system will ultimately tear your ears out I will suggest spinning David Bowie's Scary Monsters CD. A brilliant album but also one where David's vocals would reveal the treble quality in your system quicker than you can say 'hiss'.
In fairness, that's probably because there aren't that many good Bowie recordings on disc out there. Maybe Ziggy on SACD, the rest are patchy at best. (EDIT: Missed out the "good" earlier)
For a REAL ear bleeder though; catch the remixed "Duke" album from Genesis. That's been messed around with so much it's hard to remember what the damn thing should sound like...(in case you're wondering, the original Virgin/Charisma CD would point you in the right direction!).
Oh and BTW if you absolutely want to know if a system will ultimately tear your ears out I will suggest spinning David Bowie's Scary Monsters CD. A brilliant album but also one where David's vocals would reveal the treble quality in your system quicker than you can say 'hiss'.
In fairness, that's probably because there aren't that many good Bowie recordings on disc out there. Maybe Ziggy on SACD, the rest are patchy at best. (EDIT: Missed out the "good" earlier)
For a REAL ear bleeder though; catch the remixed "Duke" album from Genesis. That's been messed around with so much it's hard to remember what the damn thing should sound like...(in case you're wondering, the original Virgin/Charisma CD would point you in the right direction!).
the record spot:manicm:
Oh and BTW if you absolutely want to know if a system will ultimately tear your ears out I will suggest spinning David Bowie's Scary Monsters CD. A brilliant album but also one where David's vocals would reveal the treble quality in your system quicker than you can say 'hiss'.
In fairness, that's probably because there aren't that many Bowie recordings on disc out there. Maybe Ziggy on SACD, the rest are patchy at best. For a REAL ear bleeder though; catch the remixed "Duke" album from Genesis. That's been futzed around with so much it's hard to remember what the damn thing should sound like...(in case you're wondering, the original Virgin/Charisma CD would point you in the right direction!).
I have 8 Bowie CDs, and still want a few more! I don't know if it's the recording but Bowie used to change his vocal style from album to album, and on Scary Monsters his 's' and 't's can come across as painfully sibilant in the wrong system. That NAD player was hopeless in this regard.
Oh and BTW if you absolutely want to know if a system will ultimately tear your ears out I will suggest spinning David Bowie's Scary Monsters CD. A brilliant album but also one where David's vocals would reveal the treble quality in your system quicker than you can say 'hiss'.
In fairness, that's probably because there aren't that many Bowie recordings on disc out there. Maybe Ziggy on SACD, the rest are patchy at best. For a REAL ear bleeder though; catch the remixed "Duke" album from Genesis. That's been futzed around with so much it's hard to remember what the damn thing should sound like...(in case you're wondering, the original Virgin/Charisma CD would point you in the right direction!).
I have 8 Bowie CDs, and still want a few more! I don't know if it's the recording but Bowie used to change his vocal style from album to album, and on Scary Monsters his 's' and 't's can come across as painfully sibilant in the wrong system. That NAD player was hopeless in this regard.
Hughes123:manicm:Big Chris:its all for music:
Here's a fundamental question.
What is meant by the term 'bright?
Toppy, Tinny, Trebley, Harsh, Shrill, Sharp, Lean.
Don't fully agree with this; here's a paradox I once experienced in my system:
A long time ago I bought a fairly costly Pioneer DV-535 DVD player to replace my 11 year old CD player for music and movies in one go. I couldn't get used to the quite 'bright' sound. Now bright as in very clear, very 3D (the 535 at the time had a 24bit/192khz DAC which Pioneer emphasised) and my ears were not used to such explicit clarity. At first I thought it did not sound very musical.
I then purchased a new NAD C521BEE for music duty, and boy was I disappointed. Firstly it had a very centre-based stereo focus which I abhorred, and worse - while it had bags of bass and was more a bit more 'musical', it's treble was harsh where my ears would hurt - and yet it was not as clear and 3d as the Pioneer.
So I flogged it, stuck with the Pioneer and eventually my ears got used to it. It's what I would term 'bright' but certainly did not hurt my ears like the NAD.
I concede that maybe this flaw would have subsided with 'burning-in' or maybe better ancilliaries, or maybe it just didn't like my amp, but I didn't want to wait that long. Trust me - my ears were relieved to hear the Pioneer again.
Oh and BTW if you absolutely want to know if a system will ultimately tear your ears out I will suggest spinning David Bowie's Scary Monsters CD. A brilliant album but also one where David's vocals would reveal the treble quality in your system quicker than you can say 'hiss'.
I have a Pioneer DV-444 (the slim and older version) which is also very good. It upsamples to the same rate as yours, also. I'm selling it to a friend of mine who will probably appreciate it more than me, considering I have an Arcam CD73.
If I'm correct I believe my 535 was just a rebadged 444 for the Pacific region (Aus, NZ, UAE and RSA), so it may well be the same model - mine is quite slim too.
Here's a fundamental question.
What is meant by the term 'bright?
Toppy, Tinny, Trebley, Harsh, Shrill, Sharp, Lean.
Don't fully agree with this; here's a paradox I once experienced in my system:
A long time ago I bought a fairly costly Pioneer DV-535 DVD player to replace my 11 year old CD player for music and movies in one go. I couldn't get used to the quite 'bright' sound. Now bright as in very clear, very 3D (the 535 at the time had a 24bit/192khz DAC which Pioneer emphasised) and my ears were not used to such explicit clarity. At first I thought it did not sound very musical.
I then purchased a new NAD C521BEE for music duty, and boy was I disappointed. Firstly it had a very centre-based stereo focus which I abhorred, and worse - while it had bags of bass and was more a bit more 'musical', it's treble was harsh where my ears would hurt - and yet it was not as clear and 3d as the Pioneer.
So I flogged it, stuck with the Pioneer and eventually my ears got used to it. It's what I would term 'bright' but certainly did not hurt my ears like the NAD.
I concede that maybe this flaw would have subsided with 'burning-in' or maybe better ancilliaries, or maybe it just didn't like my amp, but I didn't want to wait that long. Trust me - my ears were relieved to hear the Pioneer again.
Oh and BTW if you absolutely want to know if a system will ultimately tear your ears out I will suggest spinning David Bowie's Scary Monsters CD. A brilliant album but also one where David's vocals would reveal the treble quality in your system quicker than you can say 'hiss'.
I have a Pioneer DV-444 (the slim and older version) which is also very good. It upsamples to the same rate as yours, also. I'm selling it to a friend of mine who will probably appreciate it more than me, considering I have an Arcam CD73.
If I'm correct I believe my 535 was just a rebadged 444 for the Pacific region (Aus, NZ, UAE and RSA), so it may well be the same model - mine is quite slim too.
Hughes123:chebby:trevor79:One tip if your stand mount speakers are sounding a bit 'bright,' turn them upside down! (with the tweater nearest the floor)
Rega already did that with my R3's 🙂 They put the midrange speaker above the tweeter and slapped the bass drivers on the sides and the port vents at the front near the floor. A most eccentric but effective solution to all sorts of ills. Just like someone from Rega Research had popped in to my living room - when I was out - to design a bespoke speaker solution especially for me! (I think they are that good.)
But what really smart companies do, is stick the tweeter in the middle of the mid/bass driver for proper realism. I havn't found my metal domed, dual-concentric, QED wired, CD fed, not run in KEF IQ30s to be bright at all, and I found my Mission E30s with their upside down layout to be bright...
As you say, Mr Hughes, that's a solution for realism, not brightness. Brightness comes down to tweeter design, crossovers etc. Have a read of the Loudspeaker Design Cookbook (Vance Dickason) if you're interested in the topic.
Rega already did that with my R3's 🙂 They put the midrange speaker above the tweeter and slapped the bass drivers on the sides and the port vents at the front near the floor. A most eccentric but effective solution to all sorts of ills. Just like someone from Rega Research had popped in to my living room - when I was out - to design a bespoke speaker solution especially for me! (I think they are that good.)
But what really smart companies do, is stick the tweeter in the middle of the mid/bass driver for proper realism. I havn't found my metal domed, dual-concentric, QED wired, CD fed, not run in KEF IQ30s to be bright at all, and I found my Mission E30s with their upside down layout to be bright...
As you say, Mr Hughes, that's a solution for realism, not brightness. Brightness comes down to tweeter design, crossovers etc. Have a read of the Loudspeaker Design Cookbook (Vance Dickason) if you're interested in the topic.
manicm:Big Chris:its all for music:
Here's a fundamental question.
What is meant by the term 'bright?
Toppy, Tinny, Trebley, Harsh, Shrill, Sharp, Lean.
I would include most of your descriptions but 'bright' does not have to mean 'harsh'.
I'll concede on 'Harsh'. Maybe 'Forward' would have been a better term to use.
Here's a fundamental question.
What is meant by the term 'bright?
Toppy, Tinny, Trebley, Harsh, Shrill, Sharp, Lean.
I would include most of your descriptions but 'bright' does not have to mean 'harsh'.
I'll concede on 'Harsh'. Maybe 'Forward' would have been a better term to use.
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