2 channel demoted again?

[JoelSim]

Televisions come first on the awards list...

AV is first in the buyers guide

There always seems to be a lead image and headline about TV on the front cover of the magazine

There is always a huge television test

Come on WSAV, make it WHFSAV again please

 

[Clare Newsome]

I think we know your feelings on the subject by now, Joel!

But to recap (AGAIN), it's simple market forces in action: TVs outsell everything else in the market put together (and then some).

What AV magazine would also feature Awards for CD players, stereo amplifiers, stereo speakers, turntables, cables, accessories, headphones and more? More than half the Awards categories, in fact, feature two-channel products....

As mentioned previously, we strongly believe that, due to our comprehensive approach, we do more to introduce people to the joys of hi-fi than any of the two-channel-only mags. Take this thread as an example.

 

[Anonymous]

i also like two channel stereo but as time passes, i am listing to more surround music sacd dvda and now blu ray with added concert on tv and lossless audio, i just find the av experience so much more rewarding than 2 channel stereo,,also i think stereo is slowly dying as a music carrier, as the likes of linn and naim are now into computer based music downloads.who would have thought this would happen the way they used to be against everthing digital.changed days eh,, money talks

 

[Anonymous]

Computer based downloads are 2 channel stereo or am I missing something..........

 

[timwileman]

Clare Newsome:
I think we know your feelings on the subject by now, Joel!

But to recap (AGAIN), it's simple market forces in action: TVs outsell everything else in the market put together (and then some).

What AV magazine would also feature Awards for CD players, stereo amplifiers, stereo speakers, turntables, cables, accessories, headphones and more? More than half the Awards categories, in fact, feature two-channel products....

As mentioned previously, we strongly believe that, due to our comprehensive approach, we do more to introduce people to the joys of hi-fi than any of the two-channel-only mags. Take this thread as an example.

hear hear!

i did exactly that, got mag to look into new TVs, ended up getting all sorts of kit, inc Roksan Kandy CDP, Arcam Amp, Epos speakers etc....on top of what started as just a telly...then added AV rack, HDDVD player, PVR, Onkyo 606, tannoy/denon speaker mix (to be upgraded to all tannoys later)....

so if the mag just did 2 channel i wouldnt have started buying it and you would all have missed out of over 1200 quaily, life enhancing posts.....

oops think i got the argument lost there .... ha ha

 

[John Duncan]

timwileman:quaily

In pigeon English?

 

[timwileman]

JohnDuncan:timwileman:quaily

In pigeon English?

blimey.....all this interviewing must be getting to me....i work in Quality and i cant even sphell it ;-)

 

[John Duncan]

[insert grouse joke here]

 

[chebby]

I bought this month's Award issue (despite Tescos best efforts to thwart me) and the biggest find for me in this TV/AV/Blu-ray/Hifi magazine was the Pure Evoke Flow Wi-Fi/DAB/FM/Internet/streaming radio!

Oh yes! Gonna get me one of those. Tomorrow.

 

[Anonymous]

no missing nothing, just that linn downloads are in digital lossless formats ,. they where against all things digital in the 80s and into 90s.suprise suprise they then released a £10,000 cd player to sell and slowly but surely made more and more digital kit even getting into av as well. --- as i said i still like my 2 channel stereo -- and my av-- as well.

 

[John Duncan]

Ooo yeah - you may also have solved somebody's toilet-related problems.........

 

[timwileman]

JohnDuncan:Ooo yeah - you may also have solved somebody's toilet-related problems.........

oy! nowt wrong with my bowl movements JD!

 

[chebby]

JohnDuncan:Ooo yeah - you may also have solved somebody's toilet-related problems.........

You get Linn FLAC downloads in your toilet? (Or pigeons?)

 

[JoelSim]

Clare Newsome:
I think we know your feelings on the subject by now, Joel!

But to recap (AGAIN), it's simple market forces in action: TVs outsell everything else in the market put together (and then some).

What AV magazine would also feature Awards for CD players, stereo amplifiers, stereo speakers, turntables, cables, accessories, headphones and more? More than half the Awards categories, in fact, feature two-channel products....

As mentioned previously, we strongly believe that, due to our comprehensive approach, we do more to introduce people to the joys of hi-fi than any of the two-channel-only mags. Take this thread as an example.

I'm not sure I'm going to keep on with my subscription as there's loads of stuff that holds no interest for me in the mag these days. I can understand some AV and obviously the blossoming download/server market, but it's all getting a bit too big brand TV focussed and moving too far away from the small specialists. In turn these guys are going to die out and then it'll just be WTV.

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[Andrew Everard]

timwileman:nowt wrong with my bowl movements

If the bowl is moving, you probably need to get it screwed/cemented more solidly in place

 

[Andrew Everard]

JoelSim:it's all getting a bit too big brand TV focussed and moving too far away from the small specialists.

Absolutely - after all, when it comes to specialist companies we only gave Awards to Atacama, ATC, Atlas, Audioengine, B&W, Cambridge Audio, The Chord Company, Clearer Audio, Cyrus, Dali, Dynaudio, KEF, Klipsch, Monitor Audio, Partington, Plinius, Pro-ject, Rega, Roksan, Shure, Sennheiser, Soundstyle, Tannoy, Thorens, True Colours Industries and van den Hul.

 

[cse]

I also would much rather have more HIFI and much less TV.

 

[Anonymous]

So would I. (Not a criticism, just some customer feedback)

 

[Messiah]

Andrew Everard:
JoelSim:it's all getting a bit too big brand TV focussed and moving too far away from the small specialists.

Absolutely - after all, when it comes to specialist companies we only gave Awards to Atacama, ATC, Atlas, Audioengine, B&W, Cambridge Audio, The Chord Company, Clearer Audio, Cyrus, Dali, Dynaudio, KEF, Klipsch, Monitor Audio, Partington, Plinius, Pro-ject, Rega, Roksan, Shure, Sennheiser, Soundstyle, Tannoy, Thorens, True Colours Industries and van den Hul.

Brilliant!

Out of interest, what 'more HiFi' do people want??

 

[the record spot]

dvdaudio:no missing nothing, just that linn downloads are in digital lossless formats ,. they where against all things digital in the 80s and into 90s.suprise suprise they then released a £10,000 cd player to sell and slowly but surely made more and more digital kit even getting into av as well. --- as i said i still like my 2 channel stereo -- and my av-- as well.

Re: 2-channel - you're not the only one.....sometimes market forces can seem just too much like...."market forces"....!

 

[bigblue235]

JoelSim:In turn these guys are going to die out and then it'll just be WTV.

Or VTV even, remember that?!

I look forward to hopefully picking up the Awards mag tomorrow (bloomin' tricky to get the mag here for some reason) to see what the fuss is about

Personally I really like the balance in the mag just now, maybe because I'm quite happy with my 2 channel stuff, so I'm more interested in all the other bits'n'bobs. I now buy Stuff and T3 far more often than I buy Hi-Fi Choice for instance, so I probably wouldn't buy WH-F every month if it was just hi-fi.

 

[Alec]

chebby:I bought this month's Award issue (despite Tescos best efforts to thwart me) and the biggest find for me in this TV/AV/Blu-ray/Hifi magazine was the Pure Evoke Flow Wi-Fi/DAB/FM/Internet/streaming radio!

Oh yes! Gonna get me one of those. Tomorrow.

Bravo! Power to the people! Or somesuch.

 

[timwileman]

Andrew Everard:
timwileman:nowt wrong with my bowl movements

If the bowl is moving, you probably need to get it screwed/cemented more solidly in place

yet another example of what spending a day interviewing does to yer brains...well what few brains i had anyway

 

[biggus_1961]

Joel its called marketing, you need to attract a younger audience these days to continue selling large numbers of magazines remembering that anyone who is now 25 years old has had a 10 year diet from age 15 listening to 5.1 channels and watching their parents' 42' plasma screen or logitech speakers with the computer and may not have ever heard a proper 2 channel setup, therefore as they progress through the pages of tv's and av stuff they then find all this two channel stuff with awards with comments saying their burnt cd's sound better through 2 speakers instead of 5 and have the awards to prove it.(long paragraph but i had to rush this)

 

[Ajani]

Not sure why so many forum members keep complaining about the amount of TVs and other non-hifi in the mag... No amount of complaining is going to change the fact that TVs sell mags... and given how many specialist hifi only mags there are, persons who could care less about the non-hifi reviews have lots of other options... WHF is fairly unique in its popularity, range of products reviewed and length of reviews... Changing these things would just make it one of the many other hifi mags (that don't sell nearly as well)...