£2.5k for sub, but what?

ric71

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If you had aprox £2.5k for a sub what would you buy?

I want deep fast flat bass down to under 20hz. Room measures 9x5m with high ceilings. Will be used with an Anthem MRX and MA Apex which I love,fit perfectly in my room and not interested in upgrading.

Top of my list is a Paradigm studio sub 15. Love MK and curious about the new Ken Keiessel subs but they at too big.

Thanks for any views.
 

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Hi ric71

With such a large budget the first bit of advice to give is you must try to audition the short list you come to, I see you have the apex system which I think is the satalite system[am I right]??? if this is the case you may find that such an upgrade on the sub side could be a little overkill IMO The paradigm is an excellent sub my other choice would be the Velodyne along with BW these are known to be a high end subs, there are many others out there, but you need to try and narrow your choice only so you dont get trapped in the which one shall I choose club, I would search the web for said subs read the reviews do some research and try to narrow down which models would suit your needs, go onto velodynes and paradigm sites look at the specs then follow the links to reviews this is wide and varied so will give some guidence, most reviews will say what the subs are running with along with size of room etc, you find that most good dealers will have these subs on dem from small compact air shifters to big wholesome house movers, an important aspsect to remember is that big is not always better not the way some subs are built today, subs seem to get smaller and smaller but can still shift air in big rooms, BUT it is the quality of build that is important, amplification, sealed, ported, power, etc. With this sort of money I would really try to audition as many of the obove subs as you can But with your speaker system [I dont mean take them you] 7Oaks sound and vision are well known dealers that carry Apex and Velodyne. Depending where you live of course you may have other dealers that can help you, but you must Dem, the only concern I have as I said earlier is that if you dem an expensive sub it could the dominating factor with such small speakers, many will say that bigger and powerfull is better, but it must intergrate with the speakers its working with, is it musical [if this is important to you]Anyway I have woffled on long enough, I think you get the picture, do your home work, DEM DEM DEM, Enjoy it as well. 2500 will get you some thing very special, But so will 1500, if you are going to keep the Apexs get a sub that will work with them not overwhelm them.

Crickey that was a long answer...just dont want you to waste such a lot of money. :clap: :clap:
 
One of the best subs I've heard:

http://www.petertyson.co.uk/ebuttonz/ebz_product_pages/rel_g2.shtml

Cheaper here:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rel-G2-Gloss-Black-Subwoofer-Grade-10-Full-UK-Warranty-/261028969348?pt=UK_AudioVideoElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_HiFiSpeakers&hash=item3cc689fb84#ht_3456wt_1044&clk_rvr_id=348965556451&afsrc="1"
 

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You wont go wrong with the Paradigm 12 or 15, properly calibrated they will give you clean bass with real authority across all the frequencies. You wont need the Antimode either so that will add to the budget.
 

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:beer: :beer: Sorry I have a major hangover so my reply is not the best laid out.

Out of interest why is it you feel the need to upgrade, what do you think you are missing, or what are you hoping to improve.

As above Rel are excellent as well, as are MK but thats 5+ models you have to contend with :O :O
 

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Way under budget (how often do you hear that) but have a look at BK. Their top end one goes below 20hz, should be easy to integrate as it uses the REL type approach (I think they used to make the REL's), and its under £600. They get very good reviews, saying they compete with models twice the price, probably because they sell direct.

I only have experience with the baby of the range, but that is very good. And service was good as well. If you want more oomph you could always get two and still be well under budget!

I have no links with the firm by the way, I just appreciate an oasis of value in a sea of silly prices

http://www.bkelec.com/HiFi/Sub_Woofers.htm
 

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bigboss said:
Big Chris said:
If it was my money, I'd probably get a pair of PV-1Ds, but I doubt they'll satisfy your desire for true depth Rich.

That will make it 3 subs :O

The OP is planning to keep his Apex AW12.

3 subs is all good.;)

Seriously though, I think another MJ Acoustics Ref1 then (as per ric71's sig). I'm not sure about mixing and matching subs, even if they have their own crossover/level/ EQ controls to tweak.:?
 

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Thanks for the replies guys.

I used to have a pair of MK MX V125 THX subs paired with 2 Def tech 18 1000w subs and I miss the bass.

I know that the Apex will work well with a powerful big sub and will not be dominated once properly EQ'd by ARC.

The Antimode is fantastic but is redundant with ARC so that will be up for sale.

Good to hear from you Big Chris. The MJ is fantastic but only has a 10" driver and I have got it to play pretty flat down to sub 20hz but I need more depth than 2 will give me.

Nick@ Home cinema centre I will be calling you today anyway.

Big Boss the Rel does interest me a lot.

I will demo and all your opinions are greatly welcomed.

My MJ will happily out perform a BK and no I don't want to be bombarded with views on this as I know BK are highly respected by many including myself but I want to move into another league.

Cheers people really appreciated.
 

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It seems you are limited by size, but the problem is that the size limit of the sub will also limit its capabilities. For any meaningfully useful output below 20Hz, a big driver is needed to shift enough air, cabinet volume is needed to reach deep, and a powerful amp board is needed in order to keep control of the driver and also to give the sub enough power to reach below 20Hz, and keep it under control. There's plenty of subs out there that lack in one (maybe even two) of these areas, and don't produce the goods they're supposed to.

The KK MX5000 MkIII may be a large sub to some people, but its not that big in relation to subs out there that really are classed as big. It's not a physically imposing sub like the SVS PB13 Ultra, but the reason it isn't is due to it's dual 12" push/pull driver arrangement, which makes the sub seem bigger than it actually is, which aids depth.

The sub that the MX5000 MkIII replaces, the discontinued M&K MX350SF, could also reach below 20Hz, but not with the same authority and power that the new replacement can - it is a huge step forward.

If you can't fit in an MX5000 MkIII, you could look at two MX700 MkIII's, which use a dual 8" push/pull configuration - basically a smaller MX5000 MkIII. Using two will bring it closer in performance to an MX5000 MkIII.

SVS's upcoming replacement for the SB13 Plus is a relatively compact cabinet using a 13" driver and 1000w amplification, so would be worth consideration. This is more compact than the MX5000 MkIII, but isn't going to reach the same depth.

It really boils down to how good you want the sub 20Hz area to be. Many subs will reach this, but very few have any real, useable output below.
 

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Big Chris,

I will be letting it go in about 4 weeks. It seriously is one of the best bits of kit I have ever purchased.

Perhaps one of the moderators will send you my email.

What we need WHF is a classified section!!!!!
 
ric71 said:
If you had aprox £2.5k for a sub what would you buy?

I want deep fast flat bass down to under 20hz. Room measures 9x5m with high ceilings. Will be used with an Anthem MRX and MA Apex which I love,fit perfectly in my room and not interested in upgrading.

Top of my list is a Paradigm studio sub 15. Love MK and curious about the new Ken Keiessel subs but they at too big.

Thanks for any views.

Hi ric71

I'll recommend also looking at ATC's C4 (domestic) or SCM0.1/12 (professional version) sub woofers. New ones cost £3146 although used ones are generally available within budget.

The C4 - SCM0.1/12 featuring robust amplification and Super Linear Magnet Technology drive unit reproduce low frequencies in a clean, precise, fast and powerful manner.

http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/concept3.php

http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/downloads/CompanyProfile.pdf

(page 10 for SLMT)

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft
 

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ric71 said:
If you had aprox £2.5k for a sub what would you buy?

I want deep fast flat bass down to under 20hz. Room measures 9x5m with high ceilings. Will be used with an Anthem MRX and MA Apex which I love,fit perfectly in my room and not interested in upgrading.

Top of my list is a Paradigm studio sub 15. Love MK and curious about the new Ken Keiessel subs but they at too big.

Thanks for any views.

Another one for the Ken Krisel MX5000 MK3 , you already said you love MK this is KK's MK3 and i've been informed it better's the MKsound MX350 quite considerably in fact i was also informed the KK MX700 MK3 gives the MX350 a run for it's money. Are you sure it's too big i've seen it at Franks Harvey and for the level this sub's at i was suprised how compact it looked. You at least need to check it out i mean Ken Kreisel did invent the subwoofer and he's a legend IMO.
 

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Some great suggestions from all,thanks. I'm gonna go and do my research and I have been looking at tmost of the subs mentioned. I haven't posted for a while but this is a really helpful response.

Keep those suggestions coming. My ideal placement only allows for a sub 23" high including feet as it will have a shelf above it. The Sub 15 comes in at 19.5" high.
 

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Keep an eye out for a Velodyne DD-10 Plus (ex-dem), or the DD-10/12 second hand.

What about two Paradigm Seismic 110s.....very impressive when I heard them along with Anthem, some time back. Didn't have the absolute depth of a bigger sub, but very impressive none the less.
 

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ric71 said:
Some great suggestions from all,thanks. I'm gonna go and do my research and I have been looking at tmost of the subs mentioned. I haven't posted for a while but this is a really helpful response.

Keep those suggestions coming. My ideal placement only allows for a sub 23" high including feet as it will have a shelf above it. The Sub 15 comes in at 19.5" high.

Measurments for Ken's sub's
Dimensions
MX-700 Mk3
H 17.58 in 446.5 mm
W 10.83 in 275.0 mm
D 13.07 in 332.0 mm
weight 47.3 lbs 21.5 kg

MX-5000 Mk3
H 23.70 in 602.0 mm
W 15.35 in 390.0 mm
D 19.37 in 492.0 mm
weight 80.6 lbs 36.7 kg

Don't think they have feet.
 

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